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I probably misrepresented what my intentions are. I'm not actually going on a research trip, but I do intend to visit Europe soonish, and hope to get a better u

by jonesb6 11y ago

I probably misrepresented what my intentions are. I'm not actually going on a research trip, but I do intend to visit Europe soonish, and hope to get a better understanding of what is going mainly by talking to locals etc.

icebraining 11y ago
The problem is that except for a handful of people who have direct contact, the locals are not really any more informed than others. As an European, I knew many people who had strong opinions on the consequences of accepting Syrian refugees, before the first families had even arrived. TV and social media, not personal experience, shape most of the opinions.
- tluyben2 11y ago
  Yep and those opinions are amplified by right wing warmongering and the under belly short term anti-solutions that the loudest shouters on tv, facebook and youtube etc have.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    That's true for the opinions against accepting refugees, but there's also plenty of people who find ridiculous the mere suggestion that it may cause problems. I support the acceptance on principle, but I'm certainly not sure of the consequences, good or bad.
    - tluyben2 11y ago
      Yes it should be far more open but Brussels knows that if it is an open discussion no one will get in in the meantime. Of course it causes issues but letting people suffer is still something we need to help with. The problem is so incredibly complex that a solution will take a long time and in the meanwhile we will just have to make due. It will probably explode though; too many on/off people who are just angry and have no ideas but war and anger to throw in. A lot of them afraid of losing their benefits because the migrants took 'm. I thought this translates well to the news here; http://imgur.com/a/XxLWO http://imgur.com/a/XxLWO Edit: yes I am aware of the meme dislike here but this one hits home imho
    - neuro_imager 11y ago
      Its incredible how SJWs have done their best to paint anyone who points out the obvious problems associated with mass migration (particularly people from an intolerant, sexist culture) as the problem. When political correctness appears, logic and reason disappears out the window.
      - oo00oo 11y ago
        > When political correctness appears, logic and reason disappears out the window. Because that's precisely what PC is, a self-censoring process. Some thoughts are not only not to be voiced, you should not even think them; and if you do then you are have to self-flagellate ("i'm not a racist i'm not a racist i'm not a racist..."). You have to isolate yourself from reality, avoid independent opinions, and only adopt properly authorized ideas.
      - icebraining 11y ago
        That's the thing - there are no obvious problems. It's very far from obvious how this will play out. For example, regarding the "intolerant, sexist culture" you allude to. It's easy to paint the middle east in broad strokes, but that misses crucial differences between countries and peoples, particularly as those countries were often Western inventions made by grouping disparate regions and populations. For example, did you know that in 2010 (before even the first conflict against Bashar al-Assad), there were over 150 thousand Syrians in the US alone?
prawn 11y ago
Do you talk to people where you live now about their views on refugees and immigration? The views in Europe will be very similar to those. In either place, you will find people critical of refugees or sympathetic to their plight.
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by jonesb6 11y ago

icebraining 11y ago

The problem is that except for a handful of people who have direct contact, the locals are not really any more informed than others. As an European, I knew many people who had strong opinions on the consequences of accepting Syrian refugees, before the first families had even arrived. TV and social media, not personal experience, shape most of the opinions.

tluyben2 11y ago
Yep and those opinions are amplified by right wing warmongering and the under belly short term anti-solutions that the loudest shouters on tv, facebook and youtube etc have.
- icebraining 11y ago
  That's true for the opinions against accepting refugees, but there's also plenty of people who find ridiculous the mere suggestion that it may cause problems. I support the acceptance on principle, but I'm certainly not sure of the consequences, good or bad.
  - tluyben2 11y ago
    Yes it should be far more open but Brussels knows that if it is an open discussion no one will get in in the meantime. Of course it causes issues but letting people suffer is still something we need to help with. The problem is so incredibly complex that a solution will take a long time and in the meanwhile we will just have to make due. It will probably explode though; too many on/off people who are just angry and have no ideas but war and anger to throw in. A lot of them afraid of losing their benefits because the migrants took 'm. I thought this translates well to the news here; http://imgur.com/a/XxLWO http://imgur.com/a/XxLWO Edit: yes I am aware of the meme dislike here but this one hits home imho
  - neuro_imager 11y ago
    Its incredible how SJWs have done their best to paint anyone who points out the obvious problems associated with mass migration (particularly people from an intolerant, sexist culture) as the problem. When political correctness appears, logic and reason disappears out the window.
    - oo00oo 11y ago
      > When political correctness appears, logic and reason disappears out the window. Because that's precisely what PC is, a self-censoring process. Some thoughts are not only not to be voiced, you should not even think them; and if you do then you are have to self-flagellate ("i'm not a racist i'm not a racist i'm not a racist..."). You have to isolate yourself from reality, avoid independent opinions, and only adopt properly authorized ideas.
    - icebraining 11y ago
      That's the thing - there are no obvious problems. It's very far from obvious how this will play out. For example, regarding the "intolerant, sexist culture" you allude to. It's easy to paint the middle east in broad strokes, but that misses crucial differences between countries and peoples, particularly as those countries were often Western inventions made by grouping disparate regions and populations. For example, did you know that in 2010 (before even the first conflict against Bashar al-Assad), there were over 150 thousand Syrians in the US alone?

prawn 11y ago

Do you talk to people where you live now about their views on refugees and immigration? The views in Europe will be very similar to those. In either place, you will find people critical of refugees or sympathetic to their plight.

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