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It's funny how you can tell your political/idealogical leanings on this topic by your phrasing: > I wonder, what is the percentage of those hundreds of thousan

by pyre 11y ago

It's funny how you can tell your political/idealogical leanings on this topic by your phrasing: > I wonder, what is the percentage of those hundreds of thousands who do not have the same mindset. Rather than wondering how many people do share that mindset you wonder how many do not share that mindset. This comes across (to me) as if you're coming from a starting position of "they all share this mindset" and are looking to see how wrong you are.

brbsix 11y ago
They are Islamists. They do not come from a multi-cultural society, e.g. a society of tolerance and acceptance. I think it would be quite deluded to expect something vastly different of them. Whether of not they will adopt Western culture and philosophy is a different question, but at the time of arrival it should be quite clear what culture and values they represent.
- nandemo 11y ago
  Perhaps you mean they are Muslims. Islamism is an ideology -- or arguably a catch-all term for a number of ideologies -- that want to force Islam into the government, law and everything. http://www.danielpipes.org/954/distinguishing-between-islam-and-islamism http://www.danielpipes.org/954/distinguishing-between-islam-... The average Iraqi or Syrian isn't Islamist. E.g. the Alawites in Syria aren't Islamists, and the former Baath party in Iraq wasn't either.
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    Honor killings were both legal and prevalent in Iraq under Sadam's rule. The Baath party also operated para-military militias that enforced "morality" rules mostly targeting prostitutes and homosexual. Extra marital sex was punishable in Sadam's Iraq and it was commonly enforced by either the family or the government which quite often resulted in death. The picture as far as Syria goes isn't that different the only major difference is that unlike Iraq Syria had and still has specific laws that target homosexuals rather than just "extra martial sex".
- pyre 11y ago
  > I think it would be quite deluded to expect something vastly different of them How about we treat their opinion as "unknown" rather than a foregone conclusion (for either side)? Is this too much to ask?
  - nightspirit 11y ago
    I suppose parent may have been extrapolating their willingness to integrate from that of other immigrants from Muslim cultures who have been living in France/Germany/UK for decades.
  - mistermann 11y ago
    How about we work with the information we do know and approach the problem using logic and prudent risk management like we would with almost any other topic?
hueving 11y ago
No, that doesn't reveal anything. If the poster is trying to illustrate that others think differently, either phrasing illustrates it just fine. Your sensitivity to it maybe illustrates that you are much closer to it politically and are easily offended.

by pyre 11y ago

brbsix 11y ago

They are Islamists. They do not come from a multi-cultural society, e.g. a society of tolerance and acceptance. I think it would be quite deluded to expect something vastly different of them. Whether of not they will adopt Western culture and philosophy is a different question, but at the time of arrival it should be quite clear what culture and values they represent.

nandemo 11y ago
Perhaps you mean they are Muslims. Islamism is an ideology -- or arguably a catch-all term for a number of ideologies -- that want to force Islam into the government, law and everything. http://www.danielpipes.org/954/distinguishing-between-islam-and-islamism http://www.danielpipes.org/954/distinguishing-between-islam-... The average Iraqi or Syrian isn't Islamist. E.g. the Alawites in Syria aren't Islamists, and the former Baath party in Iraq wasn't either.
- dogma1138 11y ago
  Honor killings were both legal and prevalent in Iraq under Sadam's rule. The Baath party also operated para-military militias that enforced "morality" rules mostly targeting prostitutes and homosexual. Extra marital sex was punishable in Sadam's Iraq and it was commonly enforced by either the family or the government which quite often resulted in death. The picture as far as Syria goes isn't that different the only major difference is that unlike Iraq Syria had and still has specific laws that target homosexuals rather than just "extra martial sex".
pyre 11y ago
> I think it would be quite deluded to expect something vastly different of them How about we treat their opinion as "unknown" rather than a foregone conclusion (for either side)? Is this too much to ask?
- nightspirit 11y ago
  I suppose parent may have been extrapolating their willingness to integrate from that of other immigrants from Muslim cultures who have been living in France/Germany/UK for decades.
- mistermann 11y ago
  How about we work with the information we do know and approach the problem using logic and prudent risk management like we would with almost any other topic?

hueving 11y ago

No, that doesn't reveal anything. If the poster is trying to illustrate that others think differently, either phrasing illustrates it just fine. Your sensitivity to it maybe illustrates that you are much closer to it politically and are easily offended.