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The sooner they gone the better. It's clear that they only here for benefits, not jobs, peace or freedom. Nobody wants to go to live eastern european countries

by mindo 11y ago

The sooner they gone the better. It's clear that they only here for benefits, not jobs, peace or freedom. Nobody wants to go to live eastern european countries (EU) as a refugee, though they equally peaceful, open-minded, but there are no benefits (or limited), no free housing and no free cars... Btw, everyone suddenly forgot about existing unemployment in Spain (20%, dec data) or Greece(24%, dec data). Other EU countries also struggling, especially in youth employment...

threeseed 11y ago
So completely misinformed. The refuees are not leaving Syria/Iraq etc looking for benefits. They are leaving a severe civil war. Yes there are economic migrants moving to Europe as well but they are and will be deported. The reason they aren't staying in the poorer countries is simply that. They are poorer and simply can't handle the refugee intake nor provide basic essential services. You can't blame genuine refugees for wanting to goto countries where they have the best opportunity of leaving a normal life.
- Khaine 11y ago
  You are misinformed. According to the EU 60% of these people are economic migrants[1]. But lets continue killing Europe with compassion[2]. [1]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684/Six-in-ten-migrants-not-entitled-to-asylum-says-EU-chief.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684... [2]http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/ http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that...
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- funthree 11y ago
  Reasons to move are complicated. It's a mixture. When people make life choices they reasons are usually quite multi-faceted. Given this truth, it's important to examine all of the reasons and quantify them accurately without pushing your (anti-European, pro-European, or whatever) political agenda.
- Yetanfou 11y ago
  > You can't blame genuine refugees for wanting to goto countries where they have the best opportunity of leaving a normal life. And there lies the crux of the problem: many - if not most - of these migrants want to lead a 'normal life' among people of their own ethnic group, from their own background, speaking their own language and perpetuating their own culture. A culture which is often diametrically the opposite from that in which they landed. They don't want to 'integrate' or 'assimilate', they want to be amongst their peers. While this is understandable, it is a recipe for disaster as a quick look at eg. Malmö/Rinkeby/etc in Sweden, the banlieux in Paris, Schilderswijk in The Hague (etc) shows. It leads to segregation, unemployment due to language barriers, increased crime rates due to the latter as well as due to cultural differences (see the 'rape epidemic' in Sweden) and more such destabilising problems.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  > You can't blame genuine refugees for wanting to goto countries where they have the best opportunity of leaving a normal life. Iran, Pakistan, Turkey are all peaceful and prosperous countries. And religiously similar.
  - praneshp 11y ago
    Did you mean 'relatively prosperous'? I thought Pakistan was somewhat like India; better than where these refugees are from but not quite prosperous.
legulere 11y ago
> open-minded Most Eastern European countries are extremely against refugees from northern Africa and the middle East actually.
- moonchrome 11y ago
  This is true, Hungary was the first in EU to put up wire around its border to Serbia to prevent immigration. Frankly Eastern Europe has enough problems with it's own economic burdens - lack of capital, low productivity, low % of capable working population and significant brain drain, high corruption and low respect for property ownership, a lot of destroyed capital and outstanding obligations to existing retired people, etc. - most of which can be traced back to Communism. Also they already have problems with poor integration of Roma. It's easy to see why refugees are not welcome.
  - venomsnake 11y ago
    And you forget the whole Ottoman rule thing. We brunt the conquerors wrath up to Vienna and barely stopped them. Had our development extinguished for 3-5 centuries. When people in Eastern Europe see the hordes of young, fighting age passing trough they have different associations - like Devşirme
    - moonchrome 11y ago
      I wanted to say something about that but it's not that black and white. For example there were/are a lot of Muslims in the Balkans after the Ottoman empire - but they are integrated within the society - some of them drink/eat pork, none of them expect gays/adulterers to be stoned etc. Just like modern Christians reject the extreme parts of their religion (eg. they mostly ignore the stuff in old testament). I don't think "islamophobia", in the sense that you'll be ostracized for being a muslim, is more common than the rest of EU.
      - venomsnake 11y ago
        Yeah but those are our Muslims. And Balkans are pretty agnostic no matter the religious denomination. It is different.

by mindo 11y ago

threeseed 11y ago

So completely misinformed. The refuees are not leaving Syria/Iraq etc looking for benefits. They are leaving a severe civil war. Yes there are economic migrants moving to Europe as well but they are and will be deported. The reason they aren't staying in the poorer countries is simply that. They are poorer and simply can't handle the refugee intake nor provide basic essential services. You can't blame genuine refugees for wanting to goto countries where they have the best opportunity of leaving a normal life.

Khaine 11y ago
You are misinformed. According to the EU 60% of these people are economic migrants[1]. But lets continue killing Europe with compassion[2]. [1]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684/Six-in-ten-migrants-not-entitled-to-asylum-says-EU-chief.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12123684... [2]http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/ http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that...
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funthree 11y ago
Reasons to move are complicated. It's a mixture. When people make life choices they reasons are usually quite multi-faceted. Given this truth, it's important to examine all of the reasons and quantify them accurately without pushing your (anti-European, pro-European, or whatever) political agenda.
Yetanfou 11y ago
> You can't blame genuine refugees for wanting to goto countries where they have the best opportunity of leaving a normal life. And there lies the crux of the problem: many - if not most - of these migrants want to lead a 'normal life' among people of their own ethnic group, from their own background, speaking their own language and perpetuating their own culture. A culture which is often diametrically the opposite from that in which they landed. They don't want to 'integrate' or 'assimilate', they want to be amongst their peers. While this is understandable, it is a recipe for disaster as a quick look at eg. Malmö/Rinkeby/etc in Sweden, the banlieux in Paris, Schilderswijk in The Hague (etc) shows. It leads to segregation, unemployment due to language barriers, increased crime rates due to the latter as well as due to cultural differences (see the 'rape epidemic' in Sweden) and more such destabilising problems.
venomsnake 11y ago
> You can't blame genuine refugees for wanting to goto countries where they have the best opportunity of leaving a normal life. Iran, Pakistan, Turkey are all peaceful and prosperous countries. And religiously similar.
- praneshp 11y ago
  Did you mean 'relatively prosperous'? I thought Pakistan was somewhat like India; better than where these refugees are from but not quite prosperous.

legulere 11y ago

> open-minded Most Eastern European countries are extremely against refugees from northern Africa and the middle East actually.

moonchrome 11y ago
This is true, Hungary was the first in EU to put up wire around its border to Serbia to prevent immigration. Frankly Eastern Europe has enough problems with it's own economic burdens - lack of capital, low productivity, low % of capable working population and significant brain drain, high corruption and low respect for property ownership, a lot of destroyed capital and outstanding obligations to existing retired people, etc. - most of which can be traced back to Communism. Also they already have problems with poor integration of Roma. It's easy to see why refugees are not welcome.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  And you forget the whole Ottoman rule thing. We brunt the conquerors wrath up to Vienna and barely stopped them. Had our development extinguished for 3-5 centuries. When people in Eastern Europe see the hordes of young, fighting age passing trough they have different associations - like Devşirme
  - moonchrome 11y ago
    I wanted to say something about that but it's not that black and white. For example there were/are a lot of Muslims in the Balkans after the Ottoman empire - but they are integrated within the society - some of them drink/eat pork, none of them expect gays/adulterers to be stoned etc. Just like modern Christians reject the extreme parts of their religion (eg. they mostly ignore the stuff in old testament). I don't think "islamophobia", in the sense that you'll be ostracized for being a muslim, is more common than the rest of EU.
    - venomsnake 11y ago
      Yeah but those are our Muslims. And Balkans are pretty agnostic no matter the religious denomination. It is different.