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Women fought for equal rights, for centuries, and achieved this towards the end of the last century, by any measure. Feminism won the fight for equality. You a
by PieterH 11y ago
Women fought for equal rights, for centuries, and achieved this towards the end of the last century, by any measure. Feminism won the fight for equality.
You are setting the clock back, and asking for women to be treated as fragile, vulnerable, and unable to look after themselves. You are arguing is that a woman's claim of harassment needs no evidence nor witnesses. That women are so weak that to place a burden of proof on them is "sexist rubbish."
Claims of harassment are easy to make. As we know, it is easy to destroy a career by making such claims. It is also trivial to record conversations on a mobile phone, to get incriminating emails, to get witnesses, to get DNA samples. This is no longer difficult. One no longer needs to believe anyone's word.
This is why you are being downvoted.
Allegations of rape or abuse or harassment, by men or women against men or women (and the gender is irrelevant) must involve law enforcement, due process, trial, and conviction as defined by law. Period. You and I are not qualified to second-guess the legal system. If you feel the law does not protect you, go live in a country without it.
- foolrush 11y agoIn your world, your unbiased Utopia. Fact: Ask men around you how many were raped or know a man that was raped. Fact: Ask a man around you if they have ever feared a woman around them, or feared for their sexual well being. Edit: Your comment below speaks volumes about you, your internal ideology, and the vantage from which you, I assume, wrote the piece. It is precisely this ideological station that triggered my visceral response above, and one, having read your response, makes my original rejection feel ever more vindicated. It is, in no uncertain terms, delusional.
- PieterH 11y agoAround one in five of women and one in 20 of men have been forced into sexual intercourse against their will, in their lifetime. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender. To deny that sexual assault happens against men is to live half-blind. Sexual assault in all cases is about power and gratification by abusive individuals (spread equally among both sexes) against the vulnerable of either sex (and the gender matters little to them). Edit: corrected the figures.
- kupaka 11y ago>Around one in 20 of women and men equally, have been forced into sexual intercourse against their will, in their lifetime. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender. That stat's not in that article.
- ta140604 11y agoThat stat IS in that article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_females https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_females "In a 2000 research article from the Home Office, in England and Wales, around 1 in 20 women (5%) said that they had been raped at some point in their life from the age of 16 beyond.[6]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_males https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_males "The same study found that approximately 1 in 21 men had been made to penetrate someone else, usually an intimate partner or acquaintance." This is completely in line with original claim, "have been forced into sexual intercourse against their will". Wiki page does call this rape when it comes to women, but not when it comes to men.
- kupaka 11y agoI don't think it's intellectually honest to mix and match stats from different studies to fit your worldview. The study that has the 1 in 21 stat for men who have been forced to penetrate also says that 1 in 5 women have been raped. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a...
- PieterH 11y agoI didn't see the full study. Thanks for pointing me to it. Indeed the figures are higher for women than for men. Let me edit my comment to reflect that.
- drhayes9 11y ago> Feminism won the fight for equality. Citation needed. By nearly any measure I can think of, women's political and professional lives are dominated by men's ideas and policies to an absurd degree. Asking for consideration of others' differences is not putting the clock back -- we weren't even having the conversation a few decades ago. Talking about the nuances of that discussion now is not regression. > Claims of harassment are easy to make. Again, citation needed. It's not like someone can say the word "harassment" and then distance themselves from anything that happens afterwards and be free of all consequences. Since we're talking about GitHub specifically, how easy do you think it's been for Julie Ann Horvath to find a job? Regardless of whether I happen to believe her or not, the fact of her statement doomed her career among the more mainline professional networks of Silicon Valley. She's radioactive now. So, I wouldn't call that "easy" by any stretch.
- factsandstuff 11y agoThere have been github staff that have shared what they see as more of the story. https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/facts-conveniently-withheld-d96f431f4e8 https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/facts-conveniently-withheld-d... If someone pulled those kind of stunts on you, I think your sympathy over their career would be limited also.
- PieterH 11y agoShe works as a senior designer at Apple.