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The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class.

The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in current diversity & feminist circles are so racist & sexist towards me that my first impulse is outrage. For those of you who share this impulse- I want to provide the piece of perspective that helps me manage my frustration: Our culture operates under a pendulum. Right now, it's bad, but it will swing back. There are “equality” people who are openly hostile to certain categories of humans based on gender, sexuality & race. This has happened before and it will happen again. The pendulum will swing back and we'll look back at these people in the same way as certain stale feminists & race marketeers of the 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s etc. The leaders of these ideas in the tech community who focus on gender & race over building products that people want will not last. They get louder & shriller, but wielding bigotry to fight bigotry always fertilizes suspicion. You can't fight exclusion with exclusion. So don’t worry about these themes. If people aren’t bitching about their bigotry, their relevance wanes. Just keep trying to do big things. If someone calls you privileged, it doesn't mean it wasn't hard & that you didn't earn it. You don’t have to argue with every person who writes something stupid on the Internet. To hell with those bigots. Their misery does not earn them the right to rob you of your own self worth and success. Diversity means that all perspectives deserve to be heard. It is ok that someone uses the word diversity to ward off white folks from leading. The community eventually rejects this kind of bigotry. You can find these people worthy of your contempt and still be supportive of diversity & equality. Now ignore these fools and go build your shit.

yakult 11y ago
It will swing back in thirty years. In thirty years I plan to be retired. Or have died of my unhealthy lifestyle. Or at the most optimistic become too old to code competitively. My point is, far as I'm concerned I can't afford to just sit tight and wait for it to blow over. And neither can the rest of you.
Mangalor 11y ago
The poor oppressed privileged white males with fabulous high-paying tech jobs. Spare us with the preachy self-righteousness please.
archagon 11y ago
I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists. There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussion is aimed at systemic issues, not individuals. It's been pretty eye-opening, actually. Based on my experience, I'm fairly certain that stories involving militant feminist/diversity people have been vastly overblown by places like Reddit.
- teen 11y ago
  did you even read op's article? look at the slides
- exstudent2 11y ago
  The tweets in this article are militant. A Github employee actually said this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008b505e-791-385/danilo%20campos-tweet.png http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008... That would not be possible if it wasn't a dominant culture (without him getting fired).
  - kyrra 11y ago
    As someone else here pointed out, that tweet is out of context. It was part of a 10+ tweet rant about politics and social medicine. (It still is a bit offensive, but less so than the article makes it out to be) https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297 https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297
    - dba7dba 11y ago
      Well I know this may be off topic but Mr Danilo's rant against US military seems narrow minded. It's BECAUSE we have US military that US citizens are not exposed to exposure, hunger, fear, rape.
    - 11y ago
argonaut 11y ago
I don't know why you are so frustrated. It seems misplaced. The system is totally stacked in your favor (and my favor).
- humanrebar 11y ago
  > The system is totally stacked in your favor Is it? What about white men who grew up as orphans? Or with parents that had severe mental illness? What about white men with emotional disorders? What about white male cancer survivors? Or white male single parents? What about white men who grew up as historically disadvantaged minorities in their home countries? Why is it OK to assume the system is stacked in someone's favor? How is that not prejudice?
  - CWuestefeld 11y ago
    I think this is one of the core questions that those playing identity politics games completely ignore. The very nature of their own efforts is, itself, something-ism. As you illustrate, they're categorizing a whole group, and assuming that every member of it fits its stereotypical mold. So in one respect, sure, as a white male I had some advantages, but there are plenty of other ways to look at it. As a "nerd" I was bullied; I suffer from an incurable disease; I'm not a particularly attractive person; I'm notably uncoordinated and bad at sports. And on the other hand, I've got a fairly sharp mind, and have some talents and a supportive network around me. A lot of these things apply to other people in and out of my demographic cohort, to such a degree of ... let's say "diversity" ... that it makes no sense to focus on those demographics when thinking about who has privileges or disadvantages.
    - belorn 11y ago
      Privilege, favor and advantage is completely useless single-dimension concepts when talking about demographics. Statistics can show that men dominate the highest and lowest ranks in society, but every only focus on the few top who succeed and turn a blind eye to everyone else. It as if we would argue that people who gamble are "favored" since they have a slightly higher chance to become millionaires compared to everyone else. White males has comparably poorer supportive network than most other demographics. Culture assume that all white men are healthy and strong, and society carry a discrimination when reality crash with that imagine. Is that privilege? Privilege for whom and compared to what?
marcoperaza 11y ago
All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. The reason why this narrative is doing so well is because they've scared everyone else into ducking for cover instead of speaking up. If we don't fight back, we are surrendering to this tyranny. History doesn't have to play out in any one way. Our culture of individualism and freedom is not guaranteed to survive. It is on each generation to preserve it for the next. When they asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution would create, he said "a republic, if you can keep it." We can't win every battle, and we can't win the war if we don't choose our fights, but we must fight to win.
- johnny22 11y ago
  this is not some battle of civilizations
  - marcoperaza 11y ago
    You're right, this enemy is within.
- deleted 11y ago
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- generic_user 11y ago
  I agree, a common diversion tactic of these activists is to try and tell you to just ignore the bad people and they will go away, eventually... Usually with some self confirming story like the OP... I'm white just like you! Just ignore these radical racist people. go back to watching the ball game dude! Its a tactic. The last thing they want is an actual debate because there ideas do not hold merit under scrutiny. If they can't get you to sit down and shut up then they will try to attack attack you. So yes, everyone needs to stand up and stand firm against these people or they will continue and only get more irrational and nasty.
hox 11y ago
This is just misguided, plain and simple. I am white, male, heterosexual, and from a middle class family, and I absolutely know that my background gives me privilege. It doesn't matter if I earned it or not; I had and still have an advantage over other classes of people, and that is where the hostility is directed. Instead of taking it personally, use this advantage to eliminate as much privilege as possible. Don't shy away from "leadership," but instead embrace it and make diversity a major focus of your leadership style. Calling out the underrepresented as "bigots" for being upset is just plain cowardice.
- mistermann 11y ago
  So what would you call this? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008b505e-791-385/danilo%20campos-tweet.png http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008...
  - knowaveragejoe 11y ago
    Not defending it, but that tweet is taken out of a 10-part twitter rant, so it's lacking context.
- generic_user 11y ago
  Yes, as a life long White Man who likes football and hot dogs, and it somewhat fat I agree with you 100%. Radical anti Male Feminism and Euro phobic racism are wonderful things for everyone. And there good for the economy. Just like you, I will continue to watch the glorious Television programming.
  - hox 11y ago
    Do you seriously think most of this is based in straight-up hatred of white males? Every time I read something like was in the article, I view it as representative of what the author feels every day. God forbid we feel that way for 5 seconds before we throw it away.
    - 11y ago
novel 11y ago
Agreed. I follow this topic for quite some time already, but I cannot understand few fundamental things. I understand that indeed people could have "issues" because of their gender, race or some other quality. I support they in their effort to make things better. However, I do not understand this categorization. By categorizing people this way one actually splits a group of people into smaller groups based on given categorization. Those groups have conflicting interests and different level of privileges, and each of the groups tries to change that. But why, instead of working within this artificial categorized groups, just get away from this categorization completely? PS It's a sensitive topic and I hope I didn't offend anyone; sorry if I somehow did it, however. PPS I'm wondering what are the job duties of diversity consultants...
dba7dba 11y ago
We laugh at Iran's theocracy. But this militant push for diversity for the sake of diversity does not seem much different to me.
pacala 11y ago
History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. Down with the Kulaks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
Zappabain 11y ago
Completely agree with the pendulum hypothesis (a theory indeed already) and not letting any offense make us fall into rage and the other side of the pendulum they are claiming us to be. Agree also in the big problem with the word 'feminism'. It seems the opposite of 'machism', and machism is bad, to claim supperiority of men over women, so many people still think feminism is claiming supperiority of women over men. And as you say, there are soooo many variants of feminism that indeed claim that, and so many feminists (men and women) that claim it, that when I say 'of course I'm feminist' I always have to inmediately explain what I mean in case someone doesn't really know it's real meaning, coming from the context of its birth, as an oposition to machism. And almost always, personal feelings, traumas, etc get into every discussion, deforming reason incredibly. Also prejudices about what you are trying to say (filling everything non explicitly stated with what they want to hear, you being the monster they're desiring to crunch). So you have to loose so much time stating everything about the context of what you are refering to, it's better not to even begin, as if they read you, either wouldn't understand anyway, feelings and lack of practice in logic would make them not to reason properly, or would just be the kind that doesn't really want to listen and be open to change in front of new verified data and reasonings, as all of us should, and will attack you using the lowest use a human can give to its brain, a use we have used over centuries to destroy and kill innocents (evil plots, rumours, false accusations, deformation of claims, lies, ...).
TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
A few days after it passed, I complained about the abuses to liberty in the Patriot Act to an older, and very-wise friend. He talked about a sociological pendulum as well, and predicted those over-reaches of power would be righted in time. Given how often and completely he has been right, before, I started watching and waiting. Except, I've been waiting for fifteen years now, and that pendulum seems to only be going further away from liberty, privacy, and (real) security. I'm not sure, but I'm starting to think that we've reached a point where sociological constructs that would have flamed out, even just 20 years ago, can be sustained, because the people in power to sustain them now have an echo chamber where the message never quite falls below the point of being lost. It's almost as if improvements in communication have now backfired in raising the noise above the signal. I hope you turn out to be right. As a white, male, heterosexual programmer who's reached his late 40's, I don't need any extra pressure working against me in my career prospects. I'm already starting to hate the H1-B visa program, but that's a rant for another post.
Globrazu 11y ago
This kind of racist "gender politics", along with a level of self-hatred and loathing for certain classes of people is a wider problem with GitHub employees and has been manifesting for a while, for example: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 (also see some of her late Tweets about this very thread) https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880 I think it started around the time they threw out their "meritocracy rug" back in early 2014 or somewhat before: http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug
nickbauman 11y ago
I think you're making too blanket a statement about culture and bigotry from this one story. This is about something at Github. Specifically, the Github "diversity initiative" appears to have dispensed with the notion of diversity training for certain segments in favor of adopting a bias against members of traditionally privileged class. I can't imagine this will go well for them. It's a pretty clear conflict of mission.
spopejoy 11y ago
Adapt or die. Integrated workforces are more successful. And with that I take my leave of this whiny white bastion called HN. Enjoy your caves, suckas
- jcromartie 11y ago
  You say "adapt" but you mean "capitulate."
nikdaheratik 11y ago
Right, I disagree with pretty much every point you're making, but maybe your anti-PC screed makes you feel better. I do question what this has to do with the core message of the article: GitHub has growing pains, long-time employees are unhappy because the Investors are bringing in the Suits and making them follow all kinds of corporate oversight stuff. Some unhappy employees also dislike the diversity hiring team, but I would assume the Investors and Suits like it (for lawsuit avoidance if nothing else). Bottom line: all of these pains are probably inevitable if you want to go from 50 to 500 employees with revenue in the $100-$500 millions. Hopefully they get it right, and manage to keep most of their long term employees happy. If not, hopefully they take care of them, and find people to replace them who know how to keep Github working well.
- droopybuns 11y ago
  I'm perplexed that you disagree. My intention is to get the angry dudes to chill out on arguing with every social justice warrior they meet. Is that the thing you want to disagree with? Or did I make my point poorly?
  - shadowmint 11y ago
    Perhaps the notion that people are actively discriminating against white guys, and that it's some kind of problem that people should just ignore because eventually it'll go away. There's about 5 things in there you could disagree with. (are they actively discriminating? is it just against white guys? is it actually a problem? should people just ignore it? will it eventually go away?) I'm not saying yes or no to any of these, but I think its pretty obvious people could disagree with any number of things that you've said. ...that said, broadly speaking, I agree with the idea that people should just chill out...but also, that github's growing pains are probably about more than this particular issue you raise.

yakult 11y ago

It will swing back in thirty years. In thirty years I plan to be retired. Or have died of my unhealthy lifestyle. Or at the most optimistic become too old to code competitively. My point is, far as I'm concerned I can't afford to just sit tight and wait for it to blow over. And neither can the rest of you.

Mangalor 11y ago

The poor oppressed privileged white males with fabulous high-paying tech jobs. Spare us with the preachy self-righteousness please.

archagon 11y ago

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists. There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussion is aimed at systemic issues, not individuals. It's been pretty eye-opening, actually. Based on my experience, I'm fairly certain that stories involving militant feminist/diversity people have been vastly overblown by places like Reddit.

teen 11y ago
did you even read op's article? look at the slides
exstudent2 11y ago
The tweets in this article are militant. A Github employee actually said this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008b505e-791-385/danilo%20campos-tweet.png http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008... That would not be possible if it wasn't a dominant culture (without him getting fired).
- kyrra 11y ago
  As someone else here pointed out, that tweet is out of context. It was part of a 10+ tweet rant about politics and social medicine. (It still is a bit offensive, but less so than the article makes it out to be) https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297 https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297
  - dba7dba 11y ago
    Well I know this may be off topic but Mr Danilo's rant against US military seems narrow minded. It's BECAUSE we have US military that US citizens are not exposed to exposure, hunger, fear, rape.
  - 11y ago

argonaut 11y ago

I don't know why you are so frustrated. It seems misplaced. The system is totally stacked in your favor (and my favor).

humanrebar 11y ago
> The system is totally stacked in your favor Is it? What about white men who grew up as orphans? Or with parents that had severe mental illness? What about white men with emotional disorders? What about white male cancer survivors? Or white male single parents? What about white men who grew up as historically disadvantaged minorities in their home countries? Why is it OK to assume the system is stacked in someone's favor? How is that not prejudice?
- CWuestefeld 11y ago
  I think this is one of the core questions that those playing identity politics games completely ignore. The very nature of their own efforts is, itself, something-ism. As you illustrate, they're categorizing a whole group, and assuming that every member of it fits its stereotypical mold. So in one respect, sure, as a white male I had some advantages, but there are plenty of other ways to look at it. As a "nerd" I was bullied; I suffer from an incurable disease; I'm not a particularly attractive person; I'm notably uncoordinated and bad at sports. And on the other hand, I've got a fairly sharp mind, and have some talents and a supportive network around me. A lot of these things apply to other people in and out of my demographic cohort, to such a degree of ... let's say "diversity" ... that it makes no sense to focus on those demographics when thinking about who has privileges or disadvantages.
  - belorn 11y ago
    Privilege, favor and advantage is completely useless single-dimension concepts when talking about demographics. Statistics can show that men dominate the highest and lowest ranks in society, but every only focus on the few top who succeed and turn a blind eye to everyone else. It as if we would argue that people who gamble are "favored" since they have a slightly higher chance to become millionaires compared to everyone else. White males has comparably poorer supportive network than most other demographics. Culture assume that all white men are healthy and strong, and society carry a discrimination when reality crash with that imagine. Is that privilege? Privilege for whom and compared to what?

marcoperaza 11y ago

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. The reason why this narrative is doing so well is because they've scared everyone else into ducking for cover instead of speaking up. If we don't fight back, we are surrendering to this tyranny. History doesn't have to play out in any one way. Our culture of individualism and freedom is not guaranteed to survive. It is on each generation to preserve it for the next. When they asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution would create, he said "a republic, if you can keep it." We can't win every battle, and we can't win the war if we don't choose our fights, but we must fight to win.

johnny22 11y ago
this is not some battle of civilizations
- marcoperaza 11y ago
  You're right, this enemy is within.
deleted 11y ago
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generic_user 11y ago
I agree, a common diversion tactic of these activists is to try and tell you to just ignore the bad people and they will go away, eventually... Usually with some self confirming story like the OP... I'm white just like you! Just ignore these radical racist people. go back to watching the ball game dude! Its a tactic. The last thing they want is an actual debate because there ideas do not hold merit under scrutiny. If they can't get you to sit down and shut up then they will try to attack attack you. So yes, everyone needs to stand up and stand firm against these people or they will continue and only get more irrational and nasty.

hox 11y ago

This is just misguided, plain and simple. I am white, male, heterosexual, and from a middle class family, and I absolutely know that my background gives me privilege. It doesn't matter if I earned it or not; I had and still have an advantage over other classes of people, and that is where the hostility is directed. Instead of taking it personally, use this advantage to eliminate as much privilege as possible. Don't shy away from "leadership," but instead embrace it and make diversity a major focus of your leadership style. Calling out the underrepresented as "bigots" for being upset is just plain cowardice.

mistermann 11y ago
So what would you call this? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008b505e-791-385/danilo%20campos-tweet.png http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008...
- knowaveragejoe 11y ago
  Not defending it, but that tweet is taken out of a 10-part twitter rant, so it's lacking context.
generic_user 11y ago
Yes, as a life long White Man who likes football and hot dogs, and it somewhat fat I agree with you 100%. Radical anti Male Feminism and Euro phobic racism are wonderful things for everyone. And there good for the economy. Just like you, I will continue to watch the glorious Television programming.
- hox 11y ago
  Do you seriously think most of this is based in straight-up hatred of white males? Every time I read something like was in the article, I view it as representative of what the author feels every day. God forbid we feel that way for 5 seconds before we throw it away.
  - 11y ago

novel 11y ago

Agreed. I follow this topic for quite some time already, but I cannot understand few fundamental things. I understand that indeed people could have "issues" because of their gender, race or some other quality. I support they in their effort to make things better. However, I do not understand this categorization. By categorizing people this way one actually splits a group of people into smaller groups based on given categorization. Those groups have conflicting interests and different level of privileges, and each of the groups tries to change that. But why, instead of working within this artificial categorized groups, just get away from this categorization completely? PS It's a sensitive topic and I hope I didn't offend anyone; sorry if I somehow did it, however. PPS I'm wondering what are the job duties of diversity consultants...

dba7dba 11y ago

We laugh at Iran's theocracy. But this militant push for diversity for the sake of diversity does not seem much different to me.

pacala 11y ago

History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. Down with the Kulaks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak

Zappabain 11y ago

Completely agree with the pendulum hypothesis (a theory indeed already) and not letting any offense make us fall into rage and the other side of the pendulum they are claiming us to be. Agree also in the big problem with the word 'feminism'. It seems the opposite of 'machism', and machism is bad, to claim supperiority of men over women, so many people still think feminism is claiming supperiority of women over men. And as you say, there are soooo many variants of feminism that indeed claim that, and so many feminists (men and women) that claim it, that when I say 'of course I'm feminist' I always have to inmediately explain what I mean in case someone doesn't really know it's real meaning, coming from the context of its birth, as an oposition to machism. And almost always, personal feelings, traumas, etc get into every discussion, deforming reason incredibly. Also prejudices about what you are trying to say (filling everything non explicitly stated with what they want to hear, you being the monster they're desiring to crunch). So you have to loose so much time stating everything about the context of what you are refering to, it's better not to even begin, as if they read you, either wouldn't understand anyway, feelings and lack of practice in logic would make them not to reason properly, or would just be the kind that doesn't really want to listen and be open to change in front of new verified data and reasonings, as all of us should, and will attack you using the lowest use a human can give to its brain, a use we have used over centuries to destroy and kill innocents (evil plots, rumours, false accusations, deformation of claims, lies, ...).

TheRealDunkirk 11y ago

A few days after it passed, I complained about the abuses to liberty in the Patriot Act to an older, and very-wise friend. He talked about a sociological pendulum as well, and predicted those over-reaches of power would be righted in time. Given how often and completely he has been right, before, I started watching and waiting. Except, I've been waiting for fifteen years now, and that pendulum seems to only be going further away from liberty, privacy, and (real) security. I'm not sure, but I'm starting to think that we've reached a point where sociological constructs that would have flamed out, even just 20 years ago, can be sustained, because the people in power to sustain them now have an echo chamber where the message never quite falls below the point of being lost. It's almost as if improvements in communication have now backfired in raising the noise above the signal. I hope you turn out to be right. As a white, male, heterosexual programmer who's reached his late 40's, I don't need any extra pressure working against me in my career prospects. I'm already starting to hate the H1-B visa program, but that's a rant for another post.

Globrazu 11y ago

This kind of racist "gender politics", along with a level of self-hatred and loathing for certain classes of people is a wider problem with GitHub employees and has been manifesting for a while, for example: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/17 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 https://twitter.com/rachelmyers/status/629981737121021953 (also see some of her late Tweets about this very thread) https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/629080326736773120 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880 https://twitter.com/agelender/status/573560084837498880 I think it started around the time they threw out their "meritocracy rug" back in early 2014 or somewhat before: http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug

nickbauman 11y ago

I think you're making too blanket a statement about culture and bigotry from this one story. This is about something at Github. Specifically, the Github "diversity initiative" appears to have dispensed with the notion of diversity training for certain segments in favor of adopting a bias against members of traditionally privileged class. I can't imagine this will go well for them. It's a pretty clear conflict of mission.

spopejoy 11y ago

Adapt or die. Integrated workforces are more successful. And with that I take my leave of this whiny white bastion called HN. Enjoy your caves, suckas

jcromartie 11y ago
You say "adapt" but you mean "capitulate."

nikdaheratik 11y ago

Right, I disagree with pretty much every point you're making, but maybe your anti-PC screed makes you feel better. I do question what this has to do with the core message of the article: GitHub has growing pains, long-time employees are unhappy because the Investors are bringing in the Suits and making them follow all kinds of corporate oversight stuff. Some unhappy employees also dislike the diversity hiring team, but I would assume the Investors and Suits like it (for lawsuit avoidance if nothing else). Bottom line: all of these pains are probably inevitable if you want to go from 50 to 500 employees with revenue in the $100-$500 millions. Hopefully they get it right, and manage to keep most of their long term employees happy. If not, hopefully they take care of them, and find people to replace them who know how to keep Github working well.

droopybuns 11y ago
I'm perplexed that you disagree. My intention is to get the angry dudes to chill out on arguing with every social justice warrior they meet. Is that the thing you want to disagree with? Or did I make my point poorly?
- shadowmint 11y ago
  Perhaps the notion that people are actively discriminating against white guys, and that it's some kind of problem that people should just ignore because eventually it'll go away. There's about 5 things in there you could disagree with. (are they actively discriminating? is it just against white guys? is it actually a problem? should people just ignore it? will it eventually go away?) I'm not saying yes or no to any of these, but I think its pretty obvious people could disagree with any number of things that you've said. ...that said, broadly speaking, I agree with the idea that people should just chill out...but also, that github's growing pains are probably about more than this particular issue you raise.