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Bring on the suits! While GH is busy distracting their world-class engineers with B.S. reverse-racism meetings, they will successfully free up their equity pool

by jsksma2 11y ago

Bring on the suits! While GH is busy distracting their world-class engineers with B.S. reverse-racism meetings, they will successfully free up their equity pool for more suit hires. That should suck the life out real quick... Goodbye revolutionary, forward-thinking work culture & hierarchy (meritocracy). You will be gravely missed. Good luck hiring sub-par engineers for the next 2 years and watching your data centers go down on a daily basis. I guess the only question left is... who are you switching to?

obelisk_ 11y ago
Well, what are the alternatives? Hosted: Bitbucket, GitLab Self-hosted: GitLab, Gogs None of these come close to GitHub in my experience.
- coderjames 11y ago
  Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now. [1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download
  - djKianoosh 11y ago
    bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO
    - james-skemp 11y ago
      We've recently started using it at work and the lack of profiles and graphs (without paying for oddly priced plugins) is quite unfortunate as well. It was quite disappointing, especially since Gitlabs was on the table as an option but we opted for Bitbucket since we added JIRA a couple years ago. If the smart people here have any suggestions on how to make Bitbucket look more line GitHub, I'd love to hear.
      - djur 11y ago
        Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have. Like most Atlassian products, the base product has subpar functionality that you can theoretically expand with overpriced and/or low-quality plugins. Also, the degree to which Atlassian products integrate varies a lot. FishEye and Crucible integrate closely. Both of them integrate OK with Jira. Neither of them really integrate at all with Stash, which has its own implementation of code browsing, search, and review. Jira and Stash integrate acceptably, but not very flexibly, and not to a level that surpasses any number of third-party integrations. And there's no level of integration that would make Confluence worth using. There is no good reason to be a full-boat Atlassian shop, period. If Jira is what you want, use it; I'm not a huge fan of it conceptually but it there's nothing wrong with it. Crucible is decent if you're willing to put the effort in to get it set up for your workflow. Nothing else of theirs I've used is worth the time it takes to set up, let alone the cost.
        farkas 11y ago
        > Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.
        joedevops 11y ago
        While we've got your attention, the number one feature I'd like to see is installation and configuration that meshes well with devops tools.like Chef, Puppet or Ansible. Your current installers require multiple phases of installing the files/dbs and then interacting with running apps via a web ui to configure. Could you make it so that you could just lay down files, attach storage and start the service? Also, clustering (active/active) word be awesome.
        farkas 11y ago
        I'll check. There are ways to set them up without using the web UI, but we can probably do a better job of documenting them for the power user. Stay tuned. For Clustering - any reason you need active/active? We have mirroring[1] which (from our chats with most of our customers) is what people prefer. [1] - https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/smart-mirroring-776640046.html https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/smart-mirro...
    - nrr 11y ago
      If you're seeking to stay within the Atlassian ecosystem, the product that you're looking for is actually FishEye[0]. (Yes, yes, paying money, etc., but if you're a large organization, you're already used to buying stuff off the shelf to solve problems like this.) On the other hand, if you don't feel like drinking the Atlassian sugary beverage with an odd taste, there's LXR[1] (and LXRng[2]), OpenGrok[3] (remember OpenGrok?), and Etsy's Hound[4], not to mention Russ Cox's standalone Go implementation of Google's code search tool[5]. 0: https://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye https://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye 1: http://lxr.sourceforge.net/ http://lxr.sourceforge.net/ 2: Ironically enough, search Github. lxr.linux.no went down some time ago. 3: http://opengrok.github.io/OpenGrok/ http://opengrok.github.io/OpenGrok/ 4: https://github.com/etsy/Hound https://github.com/etsy/Hound 5: https://github.com/google/codesearch https://github.com/google/codesearch
    - jasonlotito 11y ago
      > has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO I honestly have to ask: have you used GitHub Enterprise? It's search functionality is horrible. Oh, it searches for things, but it won't find things. And this isn't a rare issue. And I'm not talking about anything other than searching through master branches. It's a tool that I cannot trust.
      - sdesol 11y ago
        Just an FYI. GitHub's Enterprise search will get significantly better once I'm able to integrate my search technology with it. You can learn more about the search technology here: http://gitsense.github.io/ http://gitsense.github.io/ Searching is done at the branch level and you'll have niceties like case sensitive searches and you'll be able to search across multiple branches at once to verify bug fixes and what not. It also introduces commits and diffs search, which are currently not possible with GitHub. And once again, these searches are at the branch level.
    - sdesol 11y ago
      Just an FYI. I've been contacted by Atlassian to make my search technology available for Bitbucket's ecosystem. Right now it's being developed as a chrome extension, and you can learn more about it here: http://gitsense.bitbucket.org/ http://gitsense.bitbucket.org/ If things go smoothly, Bitbucket users will be able to make search, a first class citizen. Edit: I should have mentioned it, but the current version of GitSense in the Chrome store doesn't support Bitbucket. I'm still testing it out but it should be updated within the next couple of days.
    - mike_lang 11y ago
      You're kidding, right? Search in github is so bad that I typically clone a repo and grep it rather than try to find things with their search. And they built a wiki feature without search whatsoever?! (from what I can find) That's absurd
- acidburnNSA 11y ago
  We've been using self-hosted Phabricator at work for building nuclear reactor design software and it has been pretty darn amazing. It's quite easy to get going and has been very low-maintenance. http://phabricator.org/ http://phabricator.org/
  - azth 11y ago
    Bentley?
  - spangry 11y ago
    That product page is gold: * Even has a serious business mode, for the most serious businesses. * Written in PHP so literally anyone can contribute, even if they have no idea how to program. * Even babies and dogs can contribute. * You, too, can contribute! And then underneath: 'Companies probably using Phabricator'
  - xtracto 11y ago
    We have also been using Phabricator for the last year in the FinTech startup were I direct the technical team. Phabricator is really awesome in general and has been a live saver. We started using it due to the Arcanist pre-commit hooks. We now use it for issue tracking and may be soon migrating our "scrum" functionality from JIRA to Ph. The only downside I see is that it is not very well documented... in fact I will say it is all the opposite. But still, the fact that we use it happily shows how good it is!
- golergka 11y ago
  At the moment. Destroying company culture takes some time.
- cheez 11y ago
  I would suggest Atlassian. I've met both founders professionally and at least one of the duo is not weak enough to let this happen to his company. If even they capitulate, then you're fucked.
- TranquilMarmot 11y ago
  Haven't seen anybody mention Microsoft's Visual Studio Team Services[1]... private repos, reasonably priced for teams, and some pretty sweet extra tools and integration into other services. I've used it for a few projects and prefer some parts of it to github. You don't have to use Visual Studio itself or, really, ANY other Microsoft tools. [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-team-services-vs https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-team-ser...
  - joneholland 11y ago
    Last I checked, git on TFS didn't support certificate based authentication.
  - douche 11y ago
    Strongly considering moving my private repos and dumping my paid GitHub subscription.
- clinta 11y ago
  I use GitLab at work and I think the only thing GitLab is lacking is the community. What do you find lacking in GitLab?
  - sytse 11y ago
    GitLab.com certainly is much smaller. But it is growing fast and projects like mailman and fdroid are already using it. If you think of a community as the people that make the platform itself better, more than 1000 people have contributed to Gitlab.
- Kequc 11y ago
  I have just switched to Bitbucket, since in my experience anything feminists touch turns to shit shortly thereafter. I get free unlimited private repositories and everything works. It's blazingly fast. I absolutely love it, not a single issue so far. Should have switched sooner.
brandoncordell 11y ago
Since our team is small and will remain small for a while we're going to run Bitbucket on one of our private servers. For the first 10 users it's only $10 (one-time payment).
TACIXAT 11y ago
I activated my student account (was formerly paying) and voiced my disapproval in the comment section of that form. I'm really happy with GitLab at work though, so I will be switching to that.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  Generally, - use the contact form, esp if you have a paid account.

by jsksma2 11y ago

obelisk_ 11y ago

Well, what are the alternatives? Hosted: Bitbucket, GitLab Self-hosted: GitLab, Gogs None of these come close to GitHub in my experience.

coderjames 11y ago
Now you can self-host BitBucket also with BitBucket Server[1]. We're starting a migration to it at my work right now. [1] https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download
- djKianoosh 11y ago
  bitbucket server (used to be called stash) has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO
  - james-skemp 11y ago
    We've recently started using it at work and the lack of profiles and graphs (without paying for oddly priced plugins) is quite unfortunate as well. It was quite disappointing, especially since Gitlabs was on the table as an option but we opted for Bitbucket since we added JIRA a couple years ago. If the smart people here have any suggestions on how to make Bitbucket look more line GitHub, I'd love to hear.
    - djur 11y ago
      Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have. Like most Atlassian products, the base product has subpar functionality that you can theoretically expand with overpriced and/or low-quality plugins. Also, the degree to which Atlassian products integrate varies a lot. FishEye and Crucible integrate closely. Both of them integrate OK with Jira. Neither of them really integrate at all with Stash, which has its own implementation of code browsing, search, and review. Jira and Stash integrate acceptably, but not very flexibly, and not to a level that surpasses any number of third-party integrations. And there's no level of integration that would make Confluence worth using. There is no good reason to be a full-boat Atlassian shop, period. If Jira is what you want, use it; I'm not a huge fan of it conceptually but it there's nothing wrong with it. Crucible is decent if you're willing to put the effort in to get it set up for your workflow. Nothing else of theirs I've used is worth the time it takes to set up, let alone the cost.
      - farkas 11y ago
        > Stash (Bitbucket Server now) lacks a ton of features that Bitbucket (and Github) have CEO of Atlassian here. Can you list the features you deem missing? I want to check them against our roadmap, as I don't believe we have many gaps, and a host of things better.
        joedevops 11y ago
        While we've got your attention, the number one feature I'd like to see is installation and configuration that meshes well with devops tools.like Chef, Puppet or Ansible. Your current installers require multiple phases of installing the files/dbs and then interacting with running apps via a web ui to configure. Could you make it so that you could just lay down files, attach storage and start the service? Also, clustering (active/active) word be awesome.
        farkas 11y ago
        I'll check. There are ways to set them up without using the web UI, but we can probably do a better job of documenting them for the power user. Stay tuned. For Clustering - any reason you need active/active? We have mirroring[1] which (from our chats with most of our customers) is what people prefer. [1] - https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/smart-mirroring-776640046.html https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucketserver/smart-mirro...
  - nrr 11y ago
    If you're seeking to stay within the Atlassian ecosystem, the product that you're looking for is actually FishEye[0]. (Yes, yes, paying money, etc., but if you're a large organization, you're already used to buying stuff off the shelf to solve problems like this.) On the other hand, if you don't feel like drinking the Atlassian sugary beverage with an odd taste, there's LXR[1] (and LXRng[2]), OpenGrok[3] (remember OpenGrok?), and Etsy's Hound[4], not to mention Russ Cox's standalone Go implementation of Google's code search tool[5]. 0: https://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye https://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye 1: http://lxr.sourceforge.net/ http://lxr.sourceforge.net/ 2: Ironically enough, search Github. lxr.linux.no went down some time ago. 3: http://opengrok.github.io/OpenGrok/ http://opengrok.github.io/OpenGrok/ 4: https://github.com/etsy/Hound https://github.com/etsy/Hound 5: https://github.com/google/codesearch https://github.com/google/codesearch
  - jasonlotito 11y ago
    > has practically no search capability. it's the underappreciated killer feature of github IMO I honestly have to ask: have you used GitHub Enterprise? It's search functionality is horrible. Oh, it searches for things, but it won't find things. And this isn't a rare issue. And I'm not talking about anything other than searching through master branches. It's a tool that I cannot trust.
    - sdesol 11y ago
      Just an FYI. GitHub's Enterprise search will get significantly better once I'm able to integrate my search technology with it. You can learn more about the search technology here: http://gitsense.github.io/ http://gitsense.github.io/ Searching is done at the branch level and you'll have niceties like case sensitive searches and you'll be able to search across multiple branches at once to verify bug fixes and what not. It also introduces commits and diffs search, which are currently not possible with GitHub. And once again, these searches are at the branch level.
  - sdesol 11y ago
    Just an FYI. I've been contacted by Atlassian to make my search technology available for Bitbucket's ecosystem. Right now it's being developed as a chrome extension, and you can learn more about it here: http://gitsense.bitbucket.org/ http://gitsense.bitbucket.org/ If things go smoothly, Bitbucket users will be able to make search, a first class citizen. Edit: I should have mentioned it, but the current version of GitSense in the Chrome store doesn't support Bitbucket. I'm still testing it out but it should be updated within the next couple of days.
  - mike_lang 11y ago
    You're kidding, right? Search in github is so bad that I typically clone a repo and grep it rather than try to find things with their search. And they built a wiki feature without search whatsoever?! (from what I can find) That's absurd
acidburnNSA 11y ago
We've been using self-hosted Phabricator at work for building nuclear reactor design software and it has been pretty darn amazing. It's quite easy to get going and has been very low-maintenance. http://phabricator.org/ http://phabricator.org/
- azth 11y ago
  Bentley?
- spangry 11y ago
  That product page is gold: * Even has a serious business mode, for the most serious businesses. * Written in PHP so literally anyone can contribute, even if they have no idea how to program. * Even babies and dogs can contribute. * You, too, can contribute! And then underneath: 'Companies probably using Phabricator'
- xtracto 11y ago
  We have also been using Phabricator for the last year in the FinTech startup were I direct the technical team. Phabricator is really awesome in general and has been a live saver. We started using it due to the Arcanist pre-commit hooks. We now use it for issue tracking and may be soon migrating our "scrum" functionality from JIRA to Ph. The only downside I see is that it is not very well documented... in fact I will say it is all the opposite. But still, the fact that we use it happily shows how good it is!
golergka 11y ago
At the moment. Destroying company culture takes some time.
cheez 11y ago
I would suggest Atlassian. I've met both founders professionally and at least one of the duo is not weak enough to let this happen to his company. If even they capitulate, then you're fucked.
TranquilMarmot 11y ago
Haven't seen anybody mention Microsoft's Visual Studio Team Services[1]... private repos, reasonably priced for teams, and some pretty sweet extra tools and integration into other services. I've used it for a few projects and prefer some parts of it to github. You don't have to use Visual Studio itself or, really, ANY other Microsoft tools. [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-team-services-vs https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-team-ser...
- joneholland 11y ago
  Last I checked, git on TFS didn't support certificate based authentication.
- douche 11y ago
  Strongly considering moving my private repos and dumping my paid GitHub subscription.
clinta 11y ago
I use GitLab at work and I think the only thing GitLab is lacking is the community. What do you find lacking in GitLab?
- sytse 11y ago
  GitLab.com certainly is much smaller. But it is growing fast and projects like mailman and fdroid are already using it. If you think of a community as the people that make the platform itself better, more than 1000 people have contributed to Gitlab.
Kequc 11y ago
I have just switched to Bitbucket, since in my experience anything feminists touch turns to shit shortly thereafter. I get free unlimited private repositories and everything works. It's blazingly fast. I absolutely love it, not a single issue so far. Should have switched sooner.

brandoncordell 11y ago

Since our team is small and will remain small for a while we're going to run Bitbucket on one of our private servers. For the first 10 users it's only $10 (one-time payment).

TACIXAT 11y ago

I activated my student account (was formerly paying) and voiced my disapproval in the comment section of that form. I'm really happy with GitLab at work though, so I will be switching to that.

reitanqild 11y ago
Generally, - use the contact form, esp if you have a paid account.