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It's actually written into GitHub's Open Code of conduct. (The 'Open' Code has not accepted any changes for quite some time even though this particular issue wa

by toufka 11y ago

It's actually written into GitHub's Open Code of conduct. (The 'Open' Code has not accepted any changes for quite some time even though this particular issue was under discussion [1].) The Open Code expressly excuses discrimination against some races and genders, specifically by explicitly ignoring any critique which might fall under a 'reverse'-ism; 'reverse-racism' or 'reverse-sexism' [2]. This line in the Open Code was previously discussed here [3]. [1] https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/issues/82 https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/issues/82 [2] https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/blob/gh-pages/index.md https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/blob/gh-pages... [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10043668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10043668

hitekker 11y ago
I wasn't aware of this history. One thing to note is the sentence that precedes 'reverse'-ism: >Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: > ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ Coded language for sanctioned discrimination.
- Laaw 11y ago
  I'm okay with it, because I can get a job elsewhere. Some minorities can't. I don't need to be able to get a job at GitHub, because for some stupid reason, society has a general bias in favor of me. I can work anywhere, but the folks they're giving a shot are folks who don't have it as good as I do.
  - malandrew 11y ago
    If this continues to proliferate, instead of achieving a World where minorities have equal opportunity with non-minorities, we will instead end up with a mix of institutions where those in the majority have an advantage and other institutions where those who are minorities have an advantage. This doesn't look like equality, but a reversion to something looking like "separate but equal".
  - alextgordon 11y ago
    What a load of tosh. Are there no disadvantaged people in America with light coloured skin?
    - angersock 11y ago
      Poor and middle class white people are a figment of your imagination. West Virginia basically is Narnia.
    - Laaw 11y ago
      Because of their skin color? No. For other reasons? Yeah. They get help too, though.
  - marcoperaza 11y ago
    Every human being should be judged for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. The law disagrees with you. I can very easily see Github on the losing side of workplace racial discrimination claim here.
    - Laaw 11y ago
      I wish your world existed. It doesn't, however, and minority groups need advantages over me in order to get the kinds of jobs I can get. I hope we can move past this some day, but that's not happening today.
- malandrew 11y ago
  It also fails to understand and accommodate intersectionality needs with respect to cognitive diversity. Related reading: Tact Filter: http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html Ozark English: http://ozarque.livejournal.com/176349.html http://ozarque.livejournal.com/176349.html When Nerds Collide: https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c
  - rashkov 11y ago
    Thanks for the great reads and a fresh perspective (to me)
fweespeech 11y ago
> (6) Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women. I'm just glad I dumped Github. I'm pretty sure they'd find my white female friends [some of whom needed to transition] being discriminated against as okay based on those slides.
warfangle 11y ago
Reverse racism is a myth.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  Don't know about reverse racism but I know very well that reverse sexism exist where I live so I'm tempted to say you are likely wrong.
- fweespeech 11y ago
  Given they are publicly singling out white women, I'm not really sure that is true. You shouldn't be generalizing on race if you want me to believe that.
  - mercurial 11y ago
    So, as far as I'm aware, there is "racism-as-defined-in-some-academic-circles", where it's only racism when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group. Which is (IMHO) different from what non-academic people understand racism. Maybe that's what parent means?
    - fweespeech 11y ago
      I suppose I think I'm just pissed that they target white women. xD
    - im2w1l 11y ago
      Yes, it's clear that some parts of academia has people with really suspicious agendas.
    - reitanqild 11y ago
      > "when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group" Honest question: does it have to be directed by "a privileged ethnic group" or is it valid if it is by any general group or even a single, privileged person?
lerpa 11y ago
Oh well thankfully hating white makes is just plain old racism and sexism not some reverse-whatever nonsense. So I guess we're good ;-)

by toufka 11y ago

hitekker 11y ago

I wasn't aware of this history. One thing to note is the sentence that precedes 'reverse'-ism: >Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding: > ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ Coded language for sanctioned discrimination.

Laaw 11y ago
I'm okay with it, because I can get a job elsewhere. Some minorities can't. I don't need to be able to get a job at GitHub, because for some stupid reason, society has a general bias in favor of me. I can work anywhere, but the folks they're giving a shot are folks who don't have it as good as I do.
- malandrew 11y ago
  If this continues to proliferate, instead of achieving a World where minorities have equal opportunity with non-minorities, we will instead end up with a mix of institutions where those in the majority have an advantage and other institutions where those who are minorities have an advantage. This doesn't look like equality, but a reversion to something looking like "separate but equal".
- alextgordon 11y ago
  What a load of tosh. Are there no disadvantaged people in America with light coloured skin?
  - angersock 11y ago
    Poor and middle class white people are a figment of your imagination. West Virginia basically is Narnia.
  - Laaw 11y ago
    Because of their skin color? No. For other reasons? Yeah. They get help too, though.
- marcoperaza 11y ago
  Every human being should be judged for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. The law disagrees with you. I can very easily see Github on the losing side of workplace racial discrimination claim here.
  - Laaw 11y ago
    I wish your world existed. It doesn't, however, and minority groups need advantages over me in order to get the kinds of jobs I can get. I hope we can move past this some day, but that's not happening today.
malandrew 11y ago
It also fails to understand and accommodate intersectionality needs with respect to cognitive diversity. Related reading: Tact Filter: http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html Ozark English: http://ozarque.livejournal.com/176349.html http://ozarque.livejournal.com/176349.html When Nerds Collide: https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c
- rashkov 11y ago
  Thanks for the great reads and a fresh perspective (to me)

fweespeech 11y ago

> (6) Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women. I'm just glad I dumped Github. I'm pretty sure they'd find my white female friends [some of whom needed to transition] being discriminated against as okay based on those slides.

warfangle 11y ago

Reverse racism is a myth.

reitanqild 11y ago
Don't know about reverse racism but I know very well that reverse sexism exist where I live so I'm tempted to say you are likely wrong.
fweespeech 11y ago
Given they are publicly singling out white women, I'm not really sure that is true. You shouldn't be generalizing on race if you want me to believe that.
- mercurial 11y ago
  So, as far as I'm aware, there is "racism-as-defined-in-some-academic-circles", where it's only racism when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group. Which is (IMHO) different from what non-academic people understand racism. Maybe that's what parent means?
  - fweespeech 11y ago
    I suppose I think I'm just pissed that they target white women. xD
  - im2w1l 11y ago
    Yes, it's clear that some parts of academia has people with really suspicious agendas.
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    > "when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group" Honest question: does it have to be directed by "a privileged ethnic group" or is it valid if it is by any general group or even a single, privileged person?

lerpa 11y ago

Oh well thankfully hating white makes is just plain old racism and sexism not some reverse-whatever nonsense. So I guess we're good ;-)