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That's interesting how the profit seekers get all credit, but you leave out things like public education that train the professionals and do much of the researc
by chillwaves 11y ago
That's interesting how the profit seekers get all credit, but you leave out things like public education that train the professionals and do much of the research.
Also interesting how you think in binary, things are either good or bad, assholes or saints. Could it be that some good can come from more access to college, while other negative effects like administrators taking advantage of unlimited financing to naive students that results in crippling lifetime debt happen at the same time?
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoIt was the "profit seekers" who were some of the hardest advocates for mass public education. See, for instance, John D. Rockefeller's General Education Board. The education system that we ultimately got was a far cry from John Dewey's philosophy, no matter how much lip service he receives.
- rayiner 11y agoPublic education does little to train the professionals or do the research. I went to a major public research university. 20% of our budget came from the state. All of the research and innovation was done pursuant to grants and contracts, many of them related to defense. The educational system is not effective in doing research. The military/industrial/educational complex is incredibly effective at doing research.
- kuschku 11y agoThen you should look at other places. Germany has almost only public universities – and a lot of stuff you use today was invented by people at those.
- dhimes 11y agoIn the US this is true mostly for the sciences. In the humanities, not so much.
- Thriptic 11y ago> The educational system is not effective in doing research. The military/industrial/educational complex is incredibly effective at doing research At the end of the day it's still the same academicians doing the work at these institutions, regardless of the funding source. If the DOD has more success than the NIH for example in funding good research, it's probably because their budget is literally 20 times bigger.
- tamana 11y agoHow do you think military/industrial funding reaches the institution? Governments.
- cmurf 11y agoIt's not just the crippling debt, it's the exploitative aspect of it, is morally in no way different than indentured servitude. 17-18 year olds have no meaningful understanding of the consequences of these debt contracts.
- bobby_9x 11y agoI think of college as an investment. I wouldn't take a business loan out on an idea that had little to no hope of making money and college students shouldn't major in a degree that has no chance of monitary success. It's all about risk/reward and trying to reduce your personal risk as much as possible. I would hardly call it ’indentured servitude’. Everyone has a choice. There needs to be more personal responsibility.
- chillwaves 11y ago>Everyone has a choice. Yes, everyone has the choice of starving in the streets.
- tamana 11y agoYes, children need to be taught personal responsibility. BEFORE they are talked into impossibly expensive loans sold via lies.