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I Hope to see GitLab, and other Truly Open Systems, replace GitHub as the go to place for source control

andyfleming 11y ago
Why? I mean, I'm always happy to see competition keeping companies on their toes, but why do you actively want people to leave GitHub?
- akerro 11y ago
  I don't like them because they put someones opinions/values above technical skills. https://hacked.com/github-promotes-reverse-racism-sexism/ https://hacked.com/github-promotes-reverse-racism-sexism/ http://dancerscode.com/blog/why-the-open-code-of-conduct-isnt-for-me/ http://dancerscode.com/blog/why-the-open-code-of-conduct-isn...
- noir_lord 11y ago
  I think the clue was in "Truly Open", github isn't open source and is fairly expensive for small teams with private repo's (compared to bitbucket for example). It's network effects are large but beyond that the product doesn't really do anything that others don't do just as well.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  I do not like the centralization of anything GitHub is becoming too large, and code is becoming too centralized, that is dangerous.
- newjersey 11y ago
  I am not the GP. To me, supporting GitHub is like supporting Jetbrains. I know they're good people. I know they're trying to do good things. However, I will always have a nagging feeling that wishes that the universe was somehow different and that their business model made it possible for them to freely and openly offer all their software. I guess I can include things like Aerospike and even Gitlab in that group. I don't actively wish for them to succeed either. I am glad they exist and I actively use their products but I would not cheer for any of them.
  - sytse 11y ago
    Why do you put GitLab in that category? We're trying hard to freely and openly offer as much as we can. We do have an open core business model with a proprietary GitLab EE. But I wonder what you think we have to change.
- zanny 11y ago
  In some part it can be simple ease of use. Most larger companies will not use a third party cloud service to host their code like github.com. They want software to run locally on their own servers instead. Github offers their software to enterprise customers to run on their own servers, but they traditionally have done a bad job doing it, at least relative to gitlab. Today, dozens of open projects and even closed ones are using personal gitlab instances, but since the ecosystem is more open on gitlab contributions come back in to make it a much more friendly tool to self-host. Tons of larger companies favor gitlab for exactly that reason.
bhvit 11y ago
I used bitbucket for a long time because it did the job and it provided private repos. But after I had to start looking for another job, many employers wanted to see my github profile.
- chinathrow 11y ago
  You can easily make your bitbucket projects public and show them off. No need to be conformed into using a given service.
  - moonlighter 11y ago
    While I fully agree, there's somewhat of a chicken-n-egg problem here though, because part of the profile shows contributions to other projects/repos, and that's more of a github thing, partly because their profile is designed differently to focus on that, and partly because there are just many more popular repos on github to begin with, so to contribute to those, an Atlasssian bitbucket profile doesn't help much, IF the primary intent is to 'show off' activity. Personally, I couldn't care less, I very much like the fact that Bitbucket offers free private repos, and I also prefer the tooling and cleaner UI of Bitbucket over github's.
    - chinathrow 11y ago
      I was refering to OPs use case where he mentioned the usage of private repos. Such commits won't show up in a Github profile either...
    - tedmiston 11y ago
      You raise a good point. I know others have waxed on the irony of the centralized role GitHub plays in a supposedly decentralized world of the DVCS that is git. It would be cool if there were a Behance or even a Dribbble for programmers: a way for us to present our creations well but also easily in a host agnostic and semi or fully automated way. Many of us or don't invest the effort necessary to maintain a work portfolio, unlike say design oriented fields where it's the norm. I think there could be something to it.
audessuscest 11y ago
Exactly, It's time for opensource networks to become open source !
pwelch 11y ago
Same here. I like that Gitlab is so open. I hope they continue to grow and more people trust them to host both private and public code.
- sytse 11y ago
  We're certainly growing, and I'll do everything I can to keep and increase the openness. We just made our strategy public https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/
- sytse 11y ago
  We're certainly growing, and I'll do everything I can to keep and increase the openness. We just made our strategy public https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/

Why? I mean, I'm always happy to see competition keeping companies on their toes, but why do you actively want people to leave GitHub?

akerro 11y ago
I don't like them because they put someones opinions/values above technical skills. https://hacked.com/github-promotes-reverse-racism-sexism/ https://hacked.com/github-promotes-reverse-racism-sexism/ http://dancerscode.com/blog/why-the-open-code-of-conduct-isnt-for-me/ http://dancerscode.com/blog/why-the-open-code-of-conduct-isn...
noir_lord 11y ago
I think the clue was in "Truly Open", github isn't open source and is fairly expensive for small teams with private repo's (compared to bitbucket for example). It's network effects are large but beyond that the product doesn't really do anything that others don't do just as well.
the_ancient 11y ago
I do not like the centralization of anything GitHub is becoming too large, and code is becoming too centralized, that is dangerous.
newjersey 11y ago
I am not the GP. To me, supporting GitHub is like supporting Jetbrains. I know they're good people. I know they're trying to do good things. However, I will always have a nagging feeling that wishes that the universe was somehow different and that their business model made it possible for them to freely and openly offer all their software. I guess I can include things like Aerospike and even Gitlab in that group. I don't actively wish for them to succeed either. I am glad they exist and I actively use their products but I would not cheer for any of them.
- sytse 11y ago
  Why do you put GitLab in that category? We're trying hard to freely and openly offer as much as we can. We do have an open core business model with a proprietary GitLab EE. But I wonder what you think we have to change.
zanny 11y ago
In some part it can be simple ease of use. Most larger companies will not use a third party cloud service to host their code like github.com. They want software to run locally on their own servers instead. Github offers their software to enterprise customers to run on their own servers, but they traditionally have done a bad job doing it, at least relative to gitlab. Today, dozens of open projects and even closed ones are using personal gitlab instances, but since the ecosystem is more open on gitlab contributions come back in to make it a much more friendly tool to self-host. Tons of larger companies favor gitlab for exactly that reason.

bhvit 11y ago

I used bitbucket for a long time because it did the job and it provided private repos. But after I had to start looking for another job, many employers wanted to see my github profile.

chinathrow 11y ago
You can easily make your bitbucket projects public and show them off. No need to be conformed into using a given service.
- moonlighter 11y ago
  While I fully agree, there's somewhat of a chicken-n-egg problem here though, because part of the profile shows contributions to other projects/repos, and that's more of a github thing, partly because their profile is designed differently to focus on that, and partly because there are just many more popular repos on github to begin with, so to contribute to those, an Atlasssian bitbucket profile doesn't help much, IF the primary intent is to 'show off' activity. Personally, I couldn't care less, I very much like the fact that Bitbucket offers free private repos, and I also prefer the tooling and cleaner UI of Bitbucket over github's.
  - chinathrow 11y ago
    I was refering to OPs use case where he mentioned the usage of private repos. Such commits won't show up in a Github profile either...
  - tedmiston 11y ago
    You raise a good point. I know others have waxed on the irony of the centralized role GitHub plays in a supposedly decentralized world of the DVCS that is git. It would be cool if there were a Behance or even a Dribbble for programmers: a way for us to present our creations well but also easily in a host agnostic and semi or fully automated way. Many of us or don't invest the effort necessary to maintain a work portfolio, unlike say design oriented fields where it's the norm. I think there could be something to it.

audessuscest 11y ago

Exactly, It's time for opensource networks to become open source !

pwelch 11y ago

Same here. I like that Gitlab is so open. I hope they continue to grow and more people trust them to host both private and public code.

sytse 11y ago
We're certainly growing, and I'll do everything I can to keep and increase the openness. We just made our strategy public https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/
sytse 11y ago
We're certainly growing, and I'll do everything I can to keep and increase the openness. We just made our strategy public https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/