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Is this sarcasm or just ignorance?

YngwieMalware 11y ago
I'm going with ignorance
sklogic 11y ago
If you do not think that all that web stack is horribly overengineered, then you know nothing about engineering at all. If you do not see dozens of ways it could have been orders of magnitude simpler without surrendering any functionality, you know nothing about engineering at all.
- mikegioia 11y ago
  This is from your comment history: I have to admit that I did not do any web development ... I also know about it from interaction with frontend developers themselves and from toying around it Do you believe that people who have never done something are capable of understanding it well enough to have the abrasive and ignorantly arrogant stance as your own? You either do and are ignorant, or you don't and are a hypocrite.
  - sklogic 11y ago
    I am an engineer. I do not need years of experience in a technology to assess it. And, btw., you may not know what my "toying around" really means in terms of depth and exposure. So no, it is your astonishing ignorance here. You should stop pointless personal attacks and provide only rational, technical arguments. This thread is already such a code monkey circlejerk that there is no value in adding anything to it.
    - mikegioia 11y ago
      How about you take your own advice then? Just because I and millions of others don't think the web is "horribly overengineered", doesn't mean I "don't know anything about engineering".
      - sklogic 11y ago
        No, it means exactly this. You know absolutely nothing about engineering, and you keep proving it. As well as millions of other similarly under-educated semi-programmers. Know why? Because there is no place for democracy in science. It does not matter how many people believe in some crap. As long as objective criteria exist, as long as a formal proof is possible, any number of millions can believe in whatever they fancy, and nobody should care about their idiotic fantasies. And it is dead easy to prove that something is overengineered. You may not know it, with such a background, but complexity is a well defined, objective, measurable thing. If you're curious, look up what an "Algorithmic information theory" is. An existence of a formally simpler model with a more flexible functionality is a very clear evidence that the other, more complex system is overengineered. Just compare something like Tcl/Tk with your awful web stack. And should I go into Javascript, the heart of your entire stack? This is pretty much my speciality, I am a PL specialist, so you cannot accuse me of an ignorance here. It is very easy to prove how bad Javascipt is, how horribly it is designed from all the PL-theoretic points of view.

I'm going with ignorance

If you do not think that all that web stack is horribly overengineered, then you know nothing about engineering at all. If you do not see dozens of ways it could have been orders of magnitude simpler without surrendering any functionality, you know nothing about engineering at all.

mikegioia 11y ago
This is from your comment history: I have to admit that I did not do any web development ... I also know about it from interaction with frontend developers themselves and from toying around it Do you believe that people who have never done something are capable of understanding it well enough to have the abrasive and ignorantly arrogant stance as your own? You either do and are ignorant, or you don't and are a hypocrite.
- sklogic 11y ago
  I am an engineer. I do not need years of experience in a technology to assess it. And, btw., you may not know what my "toying around" really means in terms of depth and exposure. So no, it is your astonishing ignorance here. You should stop pointless personal attacks and provide only rational, technical arguments. This thread is already such a code monkey circlejerk that there is no value in adding anything to it.
  - mikegioia 11y ago
    How about you take your own advice then? Just because I and millions of others don't think the web is "horribly overengineered", doesn't mean I "don't know anything about engineering".
    - sklogic 11y ago
      No, it means exactly this. You know absolutely nothing about engineering, and you keep proving it. As well as millions of other similarly under-educated semi-programmers. Know why? Because there is no place for democracy in science. It does not matter how many people believe in some crap. As long as objective criteria exist, as long as a formal proof is possible, any number of millions can believe in whatever they fancy, and nobody should care about their idiotic fantasies. And it is dead easy to prove that something is overengineered. You may not know it, with such a background, but complexity is a well defined, objective, measurable thing. If you're curious, look up what an "Algorithmic information theory" is. An existence of a formally simpler model with a more flexible functionality is a very clear evidence that the other, more complex system is overengineered. Just compare something like Tcl/Tk with your awful web stack. And should I go into Javascript, the heart of your entire stack? This is pretty much my speciality, I am a PL specialist, so you cannot accuse me of an ignorance here. It is very easy to prove how bad Javascipt is, how horribly it is designed from all the PL-theoretic points of view.