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NSA eventually confirmed it as well http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/paper-trail-nsa-releases-email-snowden-sent-agency-officials-n117086

NSA eventually confirmed it as well http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/paper-trail-nsa-releases-email-snowden-sent-agency-officials-n117086 http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/pape...

ikeboy 11y ago
The screenshot there is not about surveillance. Is there a fuller version somewhere? Also, the article says >The official said that Snowden had asked a question, but had not “raised concerns” about the NSA’s practices.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  Why are you acting as if there is a difference between asking a question and raising concerns? Going to you boss and saying "I saw X doing Y, is that what should be happening?" is clearly doing both.
  - ikeboy 11y ago
    If he said something along the lines of "I was told X, I'm not sure what it means", that's different from "I was told X, but I believe X to be wrong", or "I was told X, but X is wrong".
- themartorana 11y ago
  This is some mental gymnastics right here. Also this is coming from the very NSA that got outted. They're not going to give any admission to having given Snowden no other alternative, or they've no leg to stand on.
  - ikeboy 11y ago
    Can you explain how the link above contains evidence that "NSA eventually confirmed it", as it was purported to? If it doesn't, then I am correct in calling it out, no?
    - themartorana 11y ago
      To me, the NSA confirming Snowden voiced concerns is confirmation that he didn't decide to just leak documents haphazardly - now, we can conjecture about what NSA response he would have considered to be enough, but he at least voiced concern before taking matters into his own hands. The NSA will never acknowledge that they left him no avenue other than leaking - that would place him squarely as a noble whistleblower, who only went rogue when left no other choice (and, not at all a traitor). Edit: since I can't reply to ikeboy below, I'll do it here - as others have pointed out, it doesn't matter that he leaked more than you think was appropriate, since everyone has a different measure for that. He also gave it to people far more qualified than himself to parse through - their choice to publish is not within his control. I'm sure you would have done differently, but this is what it is - we're better off for his actions, full stop. The rest is background noise.
      - ikeboy 11y ago
        Even if he had no choice, he certainly didn't have to leak everything without the time to go over it. As I pointed out elsewhere in this thread, he's leaked stuff that were completely legal, i.e. the US spying on other countries.
        swyman 11y ago
        Quit moving the goalposts
        ikeboy 11y ago
        I don't think I did? Above I pointed out that the article used to claim the NSA admitted that Snowden tried to go through official channels doesn't really support that. I don't see any response to that point. Instead, themartorana assumes that the NSA did admit that, and then based an argument on that assumption. My reply was based on that further argument, and in particular the notion that Snowden had no choice, but the assumption was never justified.
      - ikeboy 11y ago

ikeboy 11y ago

The screenshot there is not about surveillance. Is there a fuller version somewhere? Also, the article says >The official said that Snowden had asked a question, but had not “raised concerns” about the NSA’s practices.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
Why are you acting as if there is a difference between asking a question and raising concerns? Going to you boss and saying "I saw X doing Y, is that what should be happening?" is clearly doing both.
- ikeboy 11y ago
  If he said something along the lines of "I was told X, I'm not sure what it means", that's different from "I was told X, but I believe X to be wrong", or "I was told X, but X is wrong".
themartorana 11y ago
This is some mental gymnastics right here. Also this is coming from the very NSA that got outted. They're not going to give any admission to having given Snowden no other alternative, or they've no leg to stand on.
- ikeboy 11y ago
  Can you explain how the link above contains evidence that "NSA eventually confirmed it", as it was purported to? If it doesn't, then I am correct in calling it out, no?
  - themartorana 11y ago
    To me, the NSA confirming Snowden voiced concerns is confirmation that he didn't decide to just leak documents haphazardly - now, we can conjecture about what NSA response he would have considered to be enough, but he at least voiced concern before taking matters into his own hands. The NSA will never acknowledge that they left him no avenue other than leaking - that would place him squarely as a noble whistleblower, who only went rogue when left no other choice (and, not at all a traitor). Edit: since I can't reply to ikeboy below, I'll do it here - as others have pointed out, it doesn't matter that he leaked more than you think was appropriate, since everyone has a different measure for that. He also gave it to people far more qualified than himself to parse through - their choice to publish is not within his control. I'm sure you would have done differently, but this is what it is - we're better off for his actions, full stop. The rest is background noise.
    - ikeboy 11y ago
      Even if he had no choice, he certainly didn't have to leak everything without the time to go over it. As I pointed out elsewhere in this thread, he's leaked stuff that were completely legal, i.e. the US spying on other countries.
      - swyman 11y ago
        Quit moving the goalposts
        ikeboy 11y ago
        I don't think I did? Above I pointed out that the article used to claim the NSA admitted that Snowden tried to go through official channels doesn't really support that. I don't see any response to that point. Instead, themartorana assumes that the NSA did admit that, and then based an argument on that assumption. My reply was based on that further argument, and in particular the notion that Snowden had no choice, but the assumption was never justified.
    - ikeboy 11y ago