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Previously (all by bevacqua): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9370838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9370838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9

Previously (all by bevacqua): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9370838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9370838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9373406 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9373406 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10319438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10319438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10338587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10338587 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10479440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10479440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10506895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10506895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10560160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10560160

epmatsw 11y ago
Wow, that's some pretty blatant self-promotion.
- reikonomusha 11y ago
  HN has traditionally been full of self-promotion, in both submitted links and especially in comments (e.g., lots of "disclosure, I made X" or "shameless plug, I made X" or ...). It's not necessarily a bad thing since the community ultimately has control over what gets seen on top. And additionally sometimes you are your only advertiser. (In this very comments page, people are talking about their own code they wrote with links to it, etc.)
  - jnet 11y ago
    I think that is a very good thing, I want to know about these useful projects
  - joeyspn 11y ago
    > HN has traditionally been full of self-promotion... Yes, but there are rules, and we all should play by the same rules. HNs rules state that if your story got significant attention recently (this story was 1st six months ago) it'll be killed as dupe. But the user has been sending it w/o stop even after that... >Are reposts ok? If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
    - tobltobs 11y ago
      "significant attention" is of course hard to define, but a max. of 3 scores does not count as significant attention in any book I know.
      - dang 11y ago
        But 300 does: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045.
        tobltobs 11y ago
        > got significant attention recently ... I did not include the one submission with >300 because 200 days is not "recently" imho.
        dang 11y ago
        I see. But for HN the dispositive time window is a year, as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. I don't know when pg came up with that but it was long before I started working on HN.
- d13 11y ago
  This is exactly what I was looking for this morning, and am extremely happy that it was posted on HN.
  - cylinder714 11y ago
    I have no earthly need for this whatsoever--is drag-and-drop ever needed for webapps?--but as an example of clever Javascript code, it's very cool. (Running Firefox beta on Android.)
- city41 11y ago
  Another way to look at it is a sign that HN doesn't always bubble quality to the top. HN might not actually care, casualties may be expected as the algorithm's goal is not "all quality rises" but rather "no cruft rises" Which is fine, but a side effect is people resubmit often hoping one submission will catch.
- danneu 11y ago
  Most people are irrationally timid about a little bit of self-promotion and err on the comfortable, meek side of doing nothing at all.
marknutter 11y ago
I'm sincerely glad it was submitted that often, otherwise I might not have seen it today.
- sdegutis 11y ago
  Absolutely. To quote a fictional Charles Manson quoting 1990s UPN, "If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!" I'm probably going to replace our existing drag/drop solution at work with Dragula since it is much superior, but if this wasn't posted today I would not have even thought to even look for it.
  - EC1 11y ago
    Quoting Family Guy and Charles Manson in the same sentence should be grounds for a state sponsored lobotomy.
- dang 11y ago
  Yes. It clearly has value and I'm glad people got to see it too. Unfortunately, this is a tradeoff with no satisfying optimum.
chias 11y ago
Glad to see it has garnered a little more discussion / visibility this time. I'm glad to have found it :)
kbenson 11y ago
I wonder how it go submitted so many times in the last 6 months (clicking the "past" link by the link to the article makes it obvious). Isn't the duplicate detection supposed to stop that?
- simonebrunozzi 11y ago
  Yes. And some of these other positive comments around here are very suspicious.
  - brudgers 11y ago
    Many of the positive comments are from other long time members of the Hacker News community...there's not a lot of green on this page.
- squeaky-clean 11y ago
  > Isn't the duplicate detection supposed to stop that? This may be entirely made up, but I remember hearing that the duplication detection doesn't apply if a submission doesn't get a certain amount of attention. Looks like the only submission to get more than 3 points was 297 days ago.
  - dang 11y ago
    You were wrong on the facts (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045, though there were so many it's easy to miss the big one), but right on the policy: not only did you not make it up, it's in the FAQ! Linked at bottom of every page.
    - squeaky-clean 11y ago
      > but right on the policy: not only did you not make it up, it's in the FAQ! Linked at bottom of every page. Haha, my bad! I actually did try to search around for it, but it didn't occur to me to check the FAQ. I even checked the github mirror of the code [0] (no idea how up-to-date it is), but I can't read Arc very well. It just goes to show you could probably plaster rules like that as a header over the entire website and people like myself would still look in the wrong place :P I have read the FAQ before, so that's probably where I "heard it", but I didn't think to check it this time. [0] https://github.com/wting/hackernews https://github.com/wting/hackernews
brudgers 11y ago
To me, it looks like a project worth believing in, despite what might be considered to be a substantial lack of glamour. Perhaps, one way of looking at it is that the author knew it was right and useful and pushed the rules...incidentally, the sort of rules where nobody is going to get hurt. To put it another way, I suspect that submitting the same thing about once a month or so, is line noise when it comes to spamming Hacker News. And if the content were bad it probably would have been flagged to death at least once. It hasn't been, because it's good but unnoticed. It could be it went rather unnoticed because each submission wasn't tweeted to a bunch of friends for upvotes, it never was submitted to product hunt, and the author doesn't search engine optimize on Medium. And anyway, as this comment by me illustrates, meta discussion is often dull. Hence, generally discouraged by Hacker News Guidelines.
brandon272 11y ago
Where's the harm? It's not a commercial product.
bigtones 11y ago
I for one am happy it got posted again - looks like a quality JS component I have not seen before.
dang 11y ago
There were many more than that: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Dragula&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=story&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Dragula&sort=byDate&dateRange=.... It's of course fine to submit your own work to HN—more than fine, it's encouraged—and a small number of reposts are ok if a story hasn't had significant attention in the last year or so (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html), though a dozen is excessive. More importantly, though, this submission has received significant attention on HN within the last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045. That makes this post unequivocally a dupe. It's obviously a good project and there are many people in the thread learning about it for the first time and finding it interesting, which is great. But 300 points 7 months ago is so obviously within the dupe window that I think justice has to trump mercy in this case, though our bias runs the other way. The underlying problem is that so much good stuff streams through HN that nobody can see more than a fraction of it.

epmatsw 11y ago

Wow, that's some pretty blatant self-promotion.

reikonomusha 11y ago
HN has traditionally been full of self-promotion, in both submitted links and especially in comments (e.g., lots of "disclosure, I made X" or "shameless plug, I made X" or ...). It's not necessarily a bad thing since the community ultimately has control over what gets seen on top. And additionally sometimes you are your only advertiser. (In this very comments page, people are talking about their own code they wrote with links to it, etc.)
- jnet 11y ago
  I think that is a very good thing, I want to know about these useful projects
- joeyspn 11y ago
  > HN has traditionally been full of self-promotion... Yes, but there are rules, and we all should play by the same rules. HNs rules state that if your story got significant attention recently (this story was 1st six months ago) it'll be killed as dupe. But the user has been sending it w/o stop even after that... >Are reposts ok? If a story has had significant attention in the last year or so, we kill reposts as duplicates. If not, a small number of reposts is ok. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
  - tobltobs 11y ago
    "significant attention" is of course hard to define, but a max. of 3 scores does not count as significant attention in any book I know.
    - dang 11y ago
      But 300 does: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045.
      - tobltobs 11y ago
        > got significant attention recently ... I did not include the one submission with >300 because 200 days is not "recently" imho.
        dang 11y ago
        I see. But for HN the dispositive time window is a year, as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html. I don't know when pg came up with that but it was long before I started working on HN.
d13 11y ago
This is exactly what I was looking for this morning, and am extremely happy that it was posted on HN.
- cylinder714 11y ago
  I have no earthly need for this whatsoever--is drag-and-drop ever needed for webapps?--but as an example of clever Javascript code, it's very cool. (Running Firefox beta on Android.)
city41 11y ago
Another way to look at it is a sign that HN doesn't always bubble quality to the top. HN might not actually care, casualties may be expected as the algorithm's goal is not "all quality rises" but rather "no cruft rises" Which is fine, but a side effect is people resubmit often hoping one submission will catch.
danneu 11y ago
Most people are irrationally timid about a little bit of self-promotion and err on the comfortable, meek side of doing nothing at all.

marknutter 11y ago

I'm sincerely glad it was submitted that often, otherwise I might not have seen it today.

sdegutis 11y ago
Absolutely. To quote a fictional Charles Manson quoting 1990s UPN, "If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!" I'm probably going to replace our existing drag/drop solution at work with Dragula since it is much superior, but if this wasn't posted today I would not have even thought to even look for it.
- EC1 11y ago
  Quoting Family Guy and Charles Manson in the same sentence should be grounds for a state sponsored lobotomy.
dang 11y ago
Yes. It clearly has value and I'm glad people got to see it too. Unfortunately, this is a tradeoff with no satisfying optimum.

chias 11y ago

Glad to see it has garnered a little more discussion / visibility this time. I'm glad to have found it :)

kbenson 11y ago

I wonder how it go submitted so many times in the last 6 months (clicking the "past" link by the link to the article makes it obvious). Isn't the duplicate detection supposed to stop that?

simonebrunozzi 11y ago
Yes. And some of these other positive comments around here are very suspicious.
- brudgers 11y ago
  Many of the positive comments are from other long time members of the Hacker News community...there's not a lot of green on this page.
squeaky-clean 11y ago
> Isn't the duplicate detection supposed to stop that? This may be entirely made up, but I remember hearing that the duplication detection doesn't apply if a submission doesn't get a certain amount of attention. Looks like the only submission to get more than 3 points was 297 days ago.
- dang 11y ago
  You were wrong on the facts (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045, though there were so many it's easy to miss the big one), but right on the policy: not only did you not make it up, it's in the FAQ! Linked at bottom of every page.
  - squeaky-clean 11y ago
    > but right on the policy: not only did you not make it up, it's in the FAQ! Linked at bottom of every page. Haha, my bad! I actually did try to search around for it, but it didn't occur to me to check the FAQ. I even checked the github mirror of the code [0] (no idea how up-to-date it is), but I can't read Arc very well. It just goes to show you could probably plaster rules like that as a header over the entire website and people like myself would still look in the wrong place :P I have read the FAQ before, so that's probably where I "heard it", but I didn't think to check it this time. [0] https://github.com/wting/hackernews https://github.com/wting/hackernews

brudgers 11y ago

To me, it looks like a project worth believing in, despite what might be considered to be a substantial lack of glamour. Perhaps, one way of looking at it is that the author knew it was right and useful and pushed the rules...incidentally, the sort of rules where nobody is going to get hurt. To put it another way, I suspect that submitting the same thing about once a month or so, is line noise when it comes to spamming Hacker News. And if the content were bad it probably would have been flagged to death at least once. It hasn't been, because it's good but unnoticed. It could be it went rather unnoticed because each submission wasn't tweeted to a bunch of friends for upvotes, it never was submitted to product hunt, and the author doesn't search engine optimize on Medium. And anyway, as this comment by me illustrates, meta discussion is often dull. Hence, generally discouraged by Hacker News Guidelines.

brandon272 11y ago

Where's the harm? It's not a commercial product.

bigtones 11y ago

I for one am happy it got posted again - looks like a quality JS component I have not seen before.

dang 11y ago

There were many more than that: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Dragula&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=story&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Dragula&sort=byDate&dateRange=.... It's of course fine to submit your own work to HN—more than fine, it's encouraged—and a small number of reposts are ok if a story hasn't had significant attention in the last year or so (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html), though a dozen is excessive. More importantly, though, this submission has received significant attention on HN within the last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9914045. That makes this post unequivocally a dupe. It's obviously a good project and there are many people in the thread learning about it for the first time and finding it interesting, which is great. But 300 points 7 months ago is so obviously within the dupe window that I think justice has to trump mercy in this case, though our bias runs the other way. The underlying problem is that so much good stuff streams through HN that nobody can see more than a fraction of it.