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But how do you reconcile that with those that marry through arranged, sometimes forced marriages, to those in some poor countries? This law is intended to reduc

by robk 11y ago

But how do you reconcile that with those that marry through arranged, sometimes forced marriages, to those in some poor countries? This law is intended to reduce that scenario which is a wide backdoor to normal immigration.

Someone1234 11y ago
> But how do you reconcile that with those that marry through arranged, sometimes forced marriages, to those in some poor countries? Forced marriages are already illegal under UK law, and additionally a foreign spouse cannot enter without support by a UK-national sponsor. You cannot use extremely rare incidents to justify a policy of mass discrimination (against non-EU citizens, and UK nationals that are impacted). > This law is intended to reduce that scenario which is a wide backdoor to normal immigration. There's no backdoor. UK nationals are meant to be able to bring in spouses and children. The fact they cannot in some cases because they make the national median in salary is just disturbing. Essentially poor people have one set of rules and affluent people have another.
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  Oh there are so many more than two sets of rules, and the predicates that determine which sets apply to any given individual are legion as well.
clort 11y ago
You state that it is a 'wide backdoor' and while it seems that you could describe this as a backdoor, to assert that it is a wide one seems .. dubious to me. Also, the fact that forced marriage exists is not enough, because it is not necessarily used to foster immigration. Both of the people I have known who had spouses arranged for them had this done because of 'cultural history' and actually went to live abroad with their new husbands (one later managed to leave him and return by herself, I don't know of the other) I think that the situation you describe (forced marriage) could be illegal already and while it would be good to detect and punish the perpertrators of this kind of offence, to penalise a whole bunch of other people in their name seems somewhat excessive.

by robk 11y ago

Someone1234 11y ago

> But how do you reconcile that with those that marry through arranged, sometimes forced marriages, to those in some poor countries? Forced marriages are already illegal under UK law, and additionally a foreign spouse cannot enter without support by a UK-national sponsor. You cannot use extremely rare incidents to justify a policy of mass discrimination (against non-EU citizens, and UK nationals that are impacted). > This law is intended to reduce that scenario which is a wide backdoor to normal immigration. There's no backdoor. UK nationals are meant to be able to bring in spouses and children. The fact they cannot in some cases because they make the national median in salary is just disturbing. Essentially poor people have one set of rules and affluent people have another.

oldmanjay 11y ago
Oh there are so many more than two sets of rules, and the predicates that determine which sets apply to any given individual are legion as well.

clort 11y ago

You state that it is a 'wide backdoor' and while it seems that you could describe this as a backdoor, to assert that it is a wide one seems .. dubious to me. Also, the fact that forced marriage exists is not enough, because it is not necessarily used to foster immigration. Both of the people I have known who had spouses arranged for them had this done because of 'cultural history' and actually went to live abroad with their new husbands (one later managed to leave him and return by herself, I don't know of the other) I think that the situation you describe (forced marriage) could be illegal already and while it would be good to detect and punish the perpertrators of this kind of offence, to penalise a whole bunch of other people in their name seems somewhat excessive.