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Here's a real answer (unlike the other "corruption" and "blah blah blah" answers): First, note that the federal circuit has ruled on these patents before, and
by DannyBee 11y ago
Here's a real answer (unlike the other "corruption" and "blah blah blah" answers):
First, note that the federal circuit has ruled on these patents before, and upheld them.
http://patentlyo.com/media/2014/09/Virnetx-v-Cisco.pdf http://patentlyo.com/media/2014/09/Virnetx-v-Cisco.pdf
Apple conveniently leaves this part out.
(i think it's a BS ruling, but it is a final appeals court ruling on the validity of the patents).
As for the PTO finding them invalid:
If you look at the file wrappers of these patents, you will see what apple means is "someone has requested review of these patents by the PTO, and they have initially been found invalid".
(Apple's request to review validity was in fact, denied)
Go to http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair
Enter the patent numbers
Click "image file wrapper".
So they haven't "been found invalid", instead, they are going to trial before the PTAB to see whether they are invalid.
Note: On a number of these patents, Apple's review requests have been denied a number of times before someone else's review request was granted
- piyush_soni 11y agoSo as usual, Apple is lying/misleading people here. At least 'technically'.
- calt 11y ago> So as usual, Apple is lying/misleading people here. At least 'technically'. No. Apple are arguing that the patents are invalid. They aren't sayin they have been found invalid already. The TechCrunch article said "All four of VirnetX’s patents have been found invalid by the patent office"
- piyush_soni 11y ago>> They aren't sayin they have been found invalid already .. They are saying exactly that, at least according to their press statement.
- pc86 11y agoIt's legal posturing.
- DannyBee 11y agoActually, they haven't. At least, as far as i can tell (they each have tens of actions on them and i can't read every decision :P). They have been found "likely to have serious questions of validity". This is basically the standard you must meet to get a review. That's why they were found that way. Next, an actual trial will occur. But they are not "provisionally invalid" or anything like that. There is literally no decision yet from PTAB, and in fact, the only reigning decision on validity is the appeals court.
- pc86 11y agoYou are right, I've edited my answer as such.