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I might be daft, but this article doesn't explain (and seems to assume it's perfectly obvious) why in the world you should use Arial, sans-serif instead o

by decklin 17y ago

I might be daft, but this article doesn't explain (and seems to assume it's perfectly obvious) why in the world you should use Arial, sans-serif instead of: sans-serif at the bottom of a stack. If I am on a platform where Arial looks OK, it should already be my default sans-serif font, right? Currently, I have Arial installed, but I've set my default sans-serif font to DejaVu Sans Mono, which (subjectively) looks better on freetype. But most sites force Arial. It seems like a cargo-cult sort of thing. This problem is worse with monospace fonts (even more subjectively, I am practically allergic to Courier New).

jacobolus 17y ago
You should stick Arial at the bottom if your first-choice font is something similar in x-height and design sensibility, because it will make your site stay more consistent in design. If your first-choice font is a completely unrelated sans-serif, then there's no reason to put Arial at the end. Thus, you’ll notice that in this particular article, Arial is at the end of the “Helvetica” stack, but not at the end of the “Gill Sans” stack. Also, DejaVu Sans Mono is never going to keep design continuity with the site’s intended sans-serif font, because it’s monospace.
- Perceval 17y ago
  Problems with x-height is the first thing that popped into my mind when reading this article. Some fonts, even if they're both old roman fonts, will have dramatically different sizes: higher x-height, wider, thicker, etc. Just putting together a list of serif fonts doesn't necessarily produce good end results unless your design is totally fluid.
- decklin 17y ago
  Erm, sorry, I just meant DejaVu Sans. But I do appreciate that its metrics are still different from Arial. Is that important in every application? Maybe.
  - jacobolus 17y ago
    Well, I think a lot of times you’re right, the “Arial” at the end is just cargo-cultism, and should be scrapped; blame copy-pasta. But yes, I think it’s completely reasonable to have a design request Helvetica but fall back on Arial: to the regular reader the two look pretty much the same, which means that the design will stay working, both in layout and style, as the designer intended.
Perceval 17y ago
If I am on a platform where Arial looks OK, it should already be my default sans-serif font, right? Well, the thing about designers is that they don't trust the end user. In their minds, if the end user were put in charge, 90% of the web would end up as Comic Sans MS. If you want to force the issue, you can use a user-defined CSS file to override some font settings.

by decklin 17y ago

jacobolus 17y ago

You should stick Arial at the bottom if your first-choice font is something similar in x-height and design sensibility, because it will make your site stay more consistent in design. If your first-choice font is a completely unrelated sans-serif, then there's no reason to put Arial at the end. Thus, you’ll notice that in this particular article, Arial is at the end of the “Helvetica” stack, but not at the end of the “Gill Sans” stack. Also, DejaVu Sans Mono is never going to keep design continuity with the site’s intended sans-serif font, because it’s monospace.

Perceval 17y ago
Problems with x-height is the first thing that popped into my mind when reading this article. Some fonts, even if they're both old roman fonts, will have dramatically different sizes: higher x-height, wider, thicker, etc. Just putting together a list of serif fonts doesn't necessarily produce good end results unless your design is totally fluid.
decklin 17y ago
Erm, sorry, I just meant DejaVu Sans. But I do appreciate that its metrics are still different from Arial. Is that important in every application? Maybe.
- jacobolus 17y ago
  Well, I think a lot of times you’re right, the “Arial” at the end is just cargo-cultism, and should be scrapped; blame copy-pasta. But yes, I think it’s completely reasonable to have a design request Helvetica but fall back on Arial: to the regular reader the two look pretty much the same, which means that the design will stay working, both in layout and style, as the designer intended.

Perceval 17y ago

If I am on a platform where Arial looks OK, it should already be my default sans-serif font, right? Well, the thing about designers is that they don't trust the end user. In their minds, if the end user were put in charge, 90% of the web would end up as Comic Sans MS. If you want to force the issue, you can use a user-defined CSS file to override some font settings.