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Meaning everyone did not consent to sex.

by tedks 11y ago

rurban 11y ago
no, not all. she consented, but was surprised that he didn't use a condom. which could be legally interpreted as mutilation or rape in sweden. she didn't interpret it as rape at all
- bb88 11y ago
  It's not a crime to be sleazy in the US. Ask the Donald.
- kafkaesq 11y ago
  She consented, but was surprised that he didn't use a condom. A spin-free version of the events would be: "She consented to intercourse with a condom, which Assange initially used -- but then he took it off without telling her." Meaning Assange subject her to unprotected sex, without her consent.
freehunter 11y ago
According to Swedish law, yes. Not necessarily according to the law in other countries. That's why it was called out that he may have committed Sweden's definition of rape.
- tedks 11y ago
  Rape is a legal concept, but in a larger sense it is a moral concept. This concept does not change from nation-state to nation-state and even if no country in the world defined this behavior as legal rape, it is still rape. For centuries, marital rape was not considered legally rape (it is still quite difficult to prosecute); rape that begins after sex is initiated is still not considered rape in the United States (courts have acquitted in recognition of some absurd "right to finish"); rape of men by women is still not considered rape by the FBI. All of these legalities are irrelevant. Assange committed rape, and would have committed rape in any country. Nation-states do not define rape; moral people recognize it.
  - freehunter 11y ago
    Well fortunately/unfortunately the police do not camp outside of an embassy for years waiting to arrest someone and send them to another country for questioning because they may have broken a moral concept. They do that when there are laws being broken. So in this situation, all that matters is the law. The question was "what is rape in the Swedish sense, and how is it different from rape anywhere else". The answer is, this type of sexual misconduct is considered rape in Sweden and not in many other places. Nation-states define laws, which is what the legal system is based off, so it doesn't matter what moral people recognize. It wouldn't have been legally rape in some other countries, and that's the answer to the question.
    - tedks 11y ago
      >So in this situation, all that matters is the law. This is literally never true. >The question was "what is rape in the Swedish sense, and how is it different from rape anywhere else". The question I responded to was "did everyone consent to sex." That is not true regardless of what legalese you wrap it in.

Meaning everyone did not consent to sex.

by tedks 11y ago

Meaning everyone did not consent to sex.

no, not all. she consented, but was surprised that he didn't use a condom. which could be legally interpreted as mutilation or rape in sweden. she didn't interpret it as rape at all

bb88 11y ago
It's not a crime to be sleazy in the US. Ask the Donald.
kafkaesq 11y ago
She consented, but was surprised that he didn't use a condom. A spin-free version of the events would be: "She consented to intercourse with a condom, which Assange initially used -- but then he took it off without telling her." Meaning Assange subject her to unprotected sex, without her consent.

freehunter 11y ago

According to Swedish law, yes. Not necessarily according to the law in other countries. That's why it was called out that he may have committed Sweden's definition of rape.

tedks 11y ago
Rape is a legal concept, but in a larger sense it is a moral concept. This concept does not change from nation-state to nation-state and even if no country in the world defined this behavior as legal rape, it is still rape. For centuries, marital rape was not considered legally rape (it is still quite difficult to prosecute); rape that begins after sex is initiated is still not considered rape in the United States (courts have acquitted in recognition of some absurd "right to finish"); rape of men by women is still not considered rape by the FBI. All of these legalities are irrelevant. Assange committed rape, and would have committed rape in any country. Nation-states do not define rape; moral people recognize it.
- freehunter 11y ago
  Well fortunately/unfortunately the police do not camp outside of an embassy for years waiting to arrest someone and send them to another country for questioning because they may have broken a moral concept. They do that when there are laws being broken. So in this situation, all that matters is the law. The question was "what is rape in the Swedish sense, and how is it different from rape anywhere else". The answer is, this type of sexual misconduct is considered rape in Sweden and not in many other places. Nation-states define laws, which is what the legal system is based off, so it doesn't matter what moral people recognize. It wouldn't have been legally rape in some other countries, and that's the answer to the question.
  - tedks 11y ago
    >So in this situation, all that matters is the law. This is literally never true. >The question was "what is rape in the Swedish sense, and how is it different from rape anywhere else". The question I responded to was "did everyone consent to sex." That is not true regardless of what legalese you wrap it in.