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"I really appreciate the work you do and think you do deserve a 20% bump, but I am confident HR will shut this down becase of [budget/end of year/upcoming org c

"I really appreciate the work you do and think you do deserve a 20% bump, but I am confident HR will shut this down becase of [budget/end of year/upcoming org changes/bad lunch yesterday]. We'll do our best and get back to you [soon/never]." Another big one is the "We are locked by HR on base comp, but we'll be sure to make you whole at year end!". When year end comes you dont get paid anyway (if they know you won't leave). Would love to find a stress free counter to these :) EDIT: Ultimately, IMO, you must be ready to walk out when negotiating a raise. Otherwise you won't get anything material.

elcct 11y ago
> you must be ready to walk out when negotiating a raise This. Otherwise they can say any sad story or excuse and make you stay forever without a raise...
- mgadams3 11y ago
  In smaller companies where decision makers are usually more empathetic towards the employee, there are various other ways you can get them to move without having to use an external offer as leverage. At bigger companies that are more restricted by process, they do this for a reason and ultimately data speaks louder than words. Assuming you've exhausted the usual strategy of establishing your value that is not fully compensated and they're just not moving, if you have a competing offer for $20k more, they now have no choice but to increase the urgency with how they approach you up the chain.
- aesthetics1 11y ago
  This is very important. You have to make sure you have the upper hand. This has been successful for me even in the private sector. I left a department once with another offer in hand, and they were willing to rewrite the job spec (and salary range) to convince me to stay. The other offer was more lucrative with more upward mobility, so I ended up leaving anyway, but it's a much better experience when you don't have anything to lose.

elcct 11y ago

> you must be ready to walk out when negotiating a raise This. Otherwise they can say any sad story or excuse and make you stay forever without a raise...

mgadams3 11y ago
In smaller companies where decision makers are usually more empathetic towards the employee, there are various other ways you can get them to move without having to use an external offer as leverage. At bigger companies that are more restricted by process, they do this for a reason and ultimately data speaks louder than words. Assuming you've exhausted the usual strategy of establishing your value that is not fully compensated and they're just not moving, if you have a competing offer for $20k more, they now have no choice but to increase the urgency with how they approach you up the chain.
aesthetics1 11y ago
This is very important. You have to make sure you have the upper hand. This has been successful for me even in the private sector. I left a department once with another offer in hand, and they were willing to rewrite the job spec (and salary range) to convince me to stay. The other offer was more lucrative with more upward mobility, so I ended up leaving anyway, but it's a much better experience when you don't have anything to lose.