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Wait till you hear what the UK does to terrorists. The current legal justification for Guantanomo Bay style torture is based of a case that the UK won.
by rmc 11y ago
Wait till you hear what the UK does to terrorists. The current legal justification for Guantanomo Bay style torture is based of a case that the UK won.
- gadders 11y agoGot a citation/link?
- ryanlol 11y agoProbably referring to the British torture of dissidents in Northern Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_techniques
- gadders 11y agoThanks for that. Although the links says it was found to not be torture.
- tedks 11y agoThis is meta, but I think comments like these should be banned from HN, because they demonstrate a lack of willingness to seek out an answer on one's own, implying (in my opinion) an adversarial model of the conversational exchange. If `gadders` really wanted to get to the truth of the situation, it would be easy enough to make a few google searches, and if those really came up empty, post a comment asking for a citation with notes of which google searches failed, to help future information-seekers. Waiting for the other party to deliver a citation on a platter puts the exchange on hold until that point, and wrongly allocates karma to intellectual laziness as people see the seemingly-reasonable request for a source and second the notion. These comments certainly add no useful information, and they detract from the conversation by making it more adversarial.
- nitrogen 11y agoThe same is true of comments that make a claim that isn't already widely known. It would not be easy for a non-UK resident to know what to look for in this case.
- eunoia 11y ago> These comments certainly add no useful information It did though, someone else came in to link the requested reference. As an American I knew nothing of the "Five Techniques" and learned something new today as a direct result of that comment. If you make a statement of fact you have an obligation to back it up with references. It makes perfect sense then that statements without references can and should be challenged to provide them.
- late2part 11y agoI don't agree. The request for more information should not be disdained. It was neither dismissive nor unprofessional.
- xacaxulu 11y agoAsking for facts/figures is not adversarial.
- digler999 11y ago> Waiting for the other party to deliver a citation on a platter puts the exchange on hold until that point, which is why if you're making a non-trivial claim, the claimant should take an extra minute to paste his source.
- ryanlol 11y agoEven though I was the one to provide the source, I still upvoted this comment. While I was aware of the five techniques, I literally googled "uk torture" and that was pretty much the first link I got. If you really want sources, I think doing a quick google search before asking for them is a good idea. Not that you shouldn't ask for them, but doing even a single search before that doesn't take more than 10 seconds.