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You're kidding me. You actually believe all of this is about sexual assault?

by awl130 11y ago

notahacker 11y ago
Two hypotheses: One involves two women who admired Assange and what he stood for becoming concerned at his sexual behaviour and their sexual health after comparing notes with each other, and reporting it to the police (with or without embellishment). Assange was initially confident his excellent legal team could make it all go away, but left the country on the day it became clear he was about to be charged, figuring there were many more legal avenues to continue insisting he was innocent until proven guilty, especially if his supporters were inclined to see his flight as evidence that he was the victim. He doubled down on that by hopping jurisdictions again as the last technicality failed. The other involves two femme fatales sent to undermine Assange and doing such an unnecessarily bad and overcomplicated job of constructing their allegations against him he nearly didn't face charges. Fortunately, the conspiracy extended to the most powerful people in the Swedish judicial system. Assange, knowing the allegations had no basis whatsoever and convinced it was a CIA fit up job, waited calmly in Sweden until his counsel was advised that the Swedish judicial system had finally agreed to press charges, at which point he boarded the first plane he could to the number one US ally, figuring that his best option of avoiding imminent deportation to Guantanamo was to exploit the technical weaknesses in the false allegation in the British courts. Despite the clear and present threat to his life, he trusted the British courts and police so strongly it wasn't until the very last avenue had been exhausted that he realised they were part of the conspiracy too. I'd suggest only one of these basic lines of explanations makes much sense.
- speeder 11y ago
  You managed to invent two wild theories that have nothing to do with reality. So I will give you some facts, you you can invent a third theory: Both women enjoyed the encounter with assange, and both women admired him. One woman, was concerned about the lack of preservative, and tried to get medical attention. Police got involved by themselves, both women declined to have Assange charged. The women, wrote on twitter about how awesome Assange was. Assange was informed of all this, but had to visit UK for his work, he informed Sweden, and asked permission to leave. The police concluded that indeed, Assange had done nothing wrong, and told him he could leave. After Assange left, suddenly prosecutors wanted him back in Sweden out of the blue. The women, made clear in the media that they DON'T asked Assange to be charged, the woman that made the police know about him, also made clear that she only wanted medical attention to check for STDs, and that she didn't wanted to get the police involved. I have impression that these facts don't fit 100% any of your theories, now you can come up with a new theory that fit them.
  - notahacker 11y ago
    Your comments about the women are entirely consistent with the first theory, in which Assange misbehaves sexually to some extent and the women - who view him as a hero - are initially inclined to put it down to a misunderstanding until after comparing stories they start to worry it might be more of a pattern, and their sexual health might be at risk. It's not as if a prosecution deciding to press charges even when some of those making the allegations are reluctant to follow through is exactly unusual, especially when those expressing reluctance to take things further might have strong personal loyalties to the accused and are facing an internet hate mob. Faced with an allegation that a sleeping person had been penetrated in a way they'd explicitly asked not to be, the police aren't expected to rely on the victim's understanding of rape law and/or whether the victim thinks the alleged's other behaviour has been positively heroic. And yes, complex and public cases like that get reviewed and sometimes reopened by more senior prosecutors, especially when the nation's bestselling fiction of the past decade was written as a polemic criticising their judicial system for being ineffectual in protecting vulnerable women from high-profile sex offenders. The alternate idea that instead of it being a pure (but unreasonably messy) fit-up-job there was some sort of Swedish prosecutorial conspiracy to get Assange to the US that involved actually waiting for him to be reported for a crime is too ridiculous to warrant a third theory, frankly. You can insist the Swedish prosecution service is lying about the timeline for Assange leaving the country and the warrant being issued until you're blue in the face, but that won't change the core fact that Assange was aware he was facing some serious allegations in Sweden, and dealt with the police in Sweden without any apparent fear of illegal rendition whatsoever until it became clear that he faced actual charges, for a crime allegedly committed on Swedish soil.

You're kidding me. You actually believe all of this is about sexual assault?

by awl130 11y ago

You're kidding me. You actually believe all of this is about sexual assault?

Two hypotheses: One involves two women who admired Assange and what he stood for becoming concerned at his sexual behaviour and their sexual health after comparing notes with each other, and reporting it to the police (with or without embellishment). Assange was initially confident his excellent legal team could make it all go away, but left the country on the day it became clear he was about to be charged, figuring there were many more legal avenues to continue insisting he was innocent until proven guilty, especially if his supporters were inclined to see his flight as evidence that he was the victim. He doubled down on that by hopping jurisdictions again as the last technicality failed. The other involves two femme fatales sent to undermine Assange and doing such an unnecessarily bad and overcomplicated job of constructing their allegations against him he nearly didn't face charges. Fortunately, the conspiracy extended to the most powerful people in the Swedish judicial system. Assange, knowing the allegations had no basis whatsoever and convinced it was a CIA fit up job, waited calmly in Sweden until his counsel was advised that the Swedish judicial system had finally agreed to press charges, at which point he boarded the first plane he could to the number one US ally, figuring that his best option of avoiding imminent deportation to Guantanamo was to exploit the technical weaknesses in the false allegation in the British courts. Despite the clear and present threat to his life, he trusted the British courts and police so strongly it wasn't until the very last avenue had been exhausted that he realised they were part of the conspiracy too. I'd suggest only one of these basic lines of explanations makes much sense.

speeder 11y ago
You managed to invent two wild theories that have nothing to do with reality. So I will give you some facts, you you can invent a third theory: Both women enjoyed the encounter with assange, and both women admired him. One woman, was concerned about the lack of preservative, and tried to get medical attention. Police got involved by themselves, both women declined to have Assange charged. The women, wrote on twitter about how awesome Assange was. Assange was informed of all this, but had to visit UK for his work, he informed Sweden, and asked permission to leave. The police concluded that indeed, Assange had done nothing wrong, and told him he could leave. After Assange left, suddenly prosecutors wanted him back in Sweden out of the blue. The women, made clear in the media that they DON'T asked Assange to be charged, the woman that made the police know about him, also made clear that she only wanted medical attention to check for STDs, and that she didn't wanted to get the police involved. I have impression that these facts don't fit 100% any of your theories, now you can come up with a new theory that fit them.
- notahacker 11y ago
  Your comments about the women are entirely consistent with the first theory, in which Assange misbehaves sexually to some extent and the women - who view him as a hero - are initially inclined to put it down to a misunderstanding until after comparing stories they start to worry it might be more of a pattern, and their sexual health might be at risk. It's not as if a prosecution deciding to press charges even when some of those making the allegations are reluctant to follow through is exactly unusual, especially when those expressing reluctance to take things further might have strong personal loyalties to the accused and are facing an internet hate mob. Faced with an allegation that a sleeping person had been penetrated in a way they'd explicitly asked not to be, the police aren't expected to rely on the victim's understanding of rape law and/or whether the victim thinks the alleged's other behaviour has been positively heroic. And yes, complex and public cases like that get reviewed and sometimes reopened by more senior prosecutors, especially when the nation's bestselling fiction of the past decade was written as a polemic criticising their judicial system for being ineffectual in protecting vulnerable women from high-profile sex offenders. The alternate idea that instead of it being a pure (but unreasonably messy) fit-up-job there was some sort of Swedish prosecutorial conspiracy to get Assange to the US that involved actually waiting for him to be reported for a crime is too ridiculous to warrant a third theory, frankly. You can insist the Swedish prosecution service is lying about the timeline for Assange leaving the country and the warrant being issued until you're blue in the face, but that won't change the core fact that Assange was aware he was facing some serious allegations in Sweden, and dealt with the police in Sweden without any apparent fear of illegal rendition whatsoever until it became clear that he faced actual charges, for a crime allegedly committed on Swedish soil.