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Because: 1. This crap can't be compiled for ARM-based cpu. 2. Even if it could (it won't), it won't run fast enough. 3. Both technologies are outdated, even whi

by c00p3r 17y ago

Because: 1. This crap can't be compiled for ARM-based cpu. 2. Even if it could (it won't), it won't run fast enough. 3. Both technologies are outdated, even while still in use. btw, each down-vote should decrement your karma =)

andrew1 17y ago
Does your (1) point refer just to Flash? It's certainly possible to get a JVM to run on an ARM-based CPU. As regards (3), Java the language may be outdated (possibly a debatable point) but Java the virtual machine probably isn't. Both Scala and Clojure are written by seemingly bright people who chose to use the JVM rather than another alternative (Scala code can in theory be compiled to run on the .NET runtime but in practise I understand that's somewhat difficult to achieve). It's easy to write Scala apps for Android phones and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't run just fine on an iPad/iPhone.
- c00p3r 17y ago
  1. Show me url where I can get JRE for ARM-linux-gnu. 2. Show me #ifdef ARM_XXX in JRE source code. Thank you! btw, Clojure is a brilliant marketing move - an attempt to reuse existing JVM and the java class library to create something which looks like lisp. That's why there are so much hype - one buzzword and one magic world were put together. =)
wanderr 17y ago
1. False: http://venturebeat.com/2008/11/16/chip-designer-arm-bringing-flash-10-to-smartphones/ http://venturebeat.com/2008/11/16/chip-designer-arm-bringing... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1.html http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demo...
- c00p3r 17y ago
  That is just a PR. If something was named flash player 10.1 (assuming the same product as on x86) it is just a marketing move. ARM is a complete different architecture, so ti should be a complete different product. I agree, that there is something which could be installed on certain devices to view some video clips, but to call it the same name as x86 product (read sse3 plus directx acceleration) is total bull crap.
  - wanderr 17y ago
    I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm not entirely sure that you do either. Adobe Flash on ARM processors runs the exact same swfs (with stricter memory limits, obviously) as Adobe Flash on the desktop. Adobe Flash 9 has also been on the Nokia N800 for a very long time, which is another ARM powered device.
    - c00p3r 17y ago
      Ok. I will try. It's true, that there is an libflashplayer.so on my Ubuntu, however it is a 32bit blob. You can check it with ldd. It is 32bit blob because reasonable performance (along with near 100 CPU utilization) could be achieved with high CPU optimization. There is also libflashplayer.so on N8x0 (with comparable ldd output), but I think it's all they have in common. =)

by c00p3r 17y ago

andrew1 17y ago

Does your (1) point refer just to Flash? It's certainly possible to get a JVM to run on an ARM-based CPU. As regards (3), Java the language may be outdated (possibly a debatable point) but Java the virtual machine probably isn't. Both Scala and Clojure are written by seemingly bright people who chose to use the JVM rather than another alternative (Scala code can in theory be compiled to run on the .NET runtime but in practise I understand that's somewhat difficult to achieve). It's easy to write Scala apps for Android phones and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't run just fine on an iPad/iPhone.

c00p3r 17y ago
1. Show me url where I can get JRE for ARM-linux-gnu. 2. Show me #ifdef ARM_XXX in JRE source code. Thank you! btw, Clojure is a brilliant marketing move - an attempt to reuse existing JVM and the java class library to create something which looks like lisp. That's why there are so much hype - one buzzword and one magic world were put together. =)

wanderr 17y ago

1. False: http://venturebeat.com/2008/11/16/chip-designer-arm-bringing-flash-10-to-smartphones/ http://venturebeat.com/2008/11/16/chip-designer-arm-bringing... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1.html http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demo...

c00p3r 17y ago
That is just a PR. If something was named flash player 10.1 (assuming the same product as on x86) it is just a marketing move. ARM is a complete different architecture, so ti should be a complete different product. I agree, that there is something which could be installed on certain devices to view some video clips, but to call it the same name as x86 product (read sse3 plus directx acceleration) is total bull crap.
- wanderr 17y ago
  I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm not entirely sure that you do either. Adobe Flash on ARM processors runs the exact same swfs (with stricter memory limits, obviously) as Adobe Flash on the desktop. Adobe Flash 9 has also been on the Nokia N800 for a very long time, which is another ARM powered device.
  - c00p3r 17y ago
    Ok. I will try. It's true, that there is an libflashplayer.so on my Ubuntu, however it is a 32bit blob. You can check it with ldd. It is 32bit blob because reasonable performance (along with near 100 CPU utilization) could be achieved with high CPU optimization. There is also libflashplayer.so on N8x0 (with comparable ldd output), but I think it's all they have in common. =)