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I can understand that. Fortunately, Node is becoming huge in terms of CLI - there's a ton of really useful CLI apps for all kinds of things. To the point where

by dc2 11y ago

I can understand that. Fortunately, Node is becoming huge in terms of CLI - there's a ton of really useful CLI apps for all kinds of things. To the point where it becomes advantageous to have NPM installed, Node developer or not. At that point, installation of a CLI app is easier and more uniform than many other methods. My 0.02. My purpose in writing Vorpal is to make building CLIs accessible to a wider audience. While haters will hate JS, it nevertheless has a very broad use and accessibility.

yeukhon 11y ago
As a Python developer I have not found a single library out there (I tried almost every single popular one out there) helps me write better CLI so I always fall back to argparse. Since every up-to-date Linux system is shipped with Python, and argparse is part of the stdlib, I don't need to worry about argparse not being available. NodeJs adoption is going up, but if someone is building a CLI for a Rust project using Vorpal, then I have to install another piece of software and bloat my local system. Imagine this goes into my docker container it means the overall size of my container will increase. Of course I typically also install a bunch of packages along with my Python project anyway, like requests library, but because these libraries are typically needed for my backend anyway, the CLI's dependency on requests library is debt free. But in the case of me writing a Rust / Go / Python project but shipping a NodeJS CLI version, that's pretty insane. But don't take this the wrong way, I will write NodeJs and I will look at your library. You have great work, but I want to offer you my opinion on why few people outside of NodeJs will use this to build CLI for their X-language project.
- dc2 11y ago
  I see that point of view - that makes sense.
dozzie 11y ago
> [...] there's a ton of really useful CLI apps for all kinds of things. I'm yet to encounter those.
- gcb0 11y ago
  people use npm cli as a poor excuse for not learning make in most cases.

by dc2 11y ago

yeukhon 11y ago

As a Python developer I have not found a single library out there (I tried almost every single popular one out there) helps me write better CLI so I always fall back to argparse. Since every up-to-date Linux system is shipped with Python, and argparse is part of the stdlib, I don't need to worry about argparse not being available. NodeJs adoption is going up, but if someone is building a CLI for a Rust project using Vorpal, then I have to install another piece of software and bloat my local system. Imagine this goes into my docker container it means the overall size of my container will increase. Of course I typically also install a bunch of packages along with my Python project anyway, like requests library, but because these libraries are typically needed for my backend anyway, the CLI's dependency on requests library is debt free. But in the case of me writing a Rust / Go / Python project but shipping a NodeJS CLI version, that's pretty insane. But don't take this the wrong way, I will write NodeJs and I will look at your library. You have great work, but I want to offer you my opinion on why few people outside of NodeJs will use this to build CLI for their X-language project.

dc2 11y ago
I see that point of view - that makes sense.

dozzie 11y ago

> [...] there's a ton of really useful CLI apps for all kinds of things. I'm yet to encounter those.

gcb0 11y ago
people use npm cli as a poor excuse for not learning make in most cases.