>>however there is reasonably only so many producers our society needs. The bigger problem is in not wanting to be a producer. Producers aren't just Engineers/

>>however there is reasonably only so many producers our society needs. The bigger problem is in not wanting to be a producer. Producers aren't just Engineers/Surgeons. Plumber, Welders, Carpenters, Drivers etc these guys are producers too. Producers are people who are exchanging real effort for money. Jobs created(which don't even have to exist), just to provide people a salary are what I would call consumers.