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The NFL is a unionized, state-supported, maximally regulated market with rigid spending requirements, price fixing, supply shortages... ... held up as the cons

• brandonmenc 11y ago
  > held up as the conservative free market jingoistic ideal I've never heard anyone claim the NFL is an example of a free market, even by fans of both.
• quadrangle 11y ago
  Unions only come into existence because of capitalism. In a cooperative, the employees are the owners, so there's no such thing as a union. The NFL is certainly not maximally-regulated, in that more regulations are possible. But the key here is that corrupt corporate wealthy powerful people are always happy to claim that whatever they are doing to stay wealthy and powerful is actually based on some ideal whether that's socialism or capitalism or whatever. It's basically never true, of course.
  • icebraining 11y ago
    Unions only come into existence because of capitalism. In a cooperative, the employees are the owners, so there's no such thing as a union. What about unions of public workers? Even in the USSR there were unions. Worker cooperatives are not the only alternative to capitalism.
    • quadrangle 11y ago
      True, I really meant more like "capitalism naturally leads to unions" rather than implying that nothing else can do so. But unions don't exist within cooperatives. The bigger point is: Unions are a symptom of bigger systemic problems.