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Having been through this once and now doing it a second time as a parent the information is available. It is not hidden. The undereducated parents are the ones

by epalmer 11y ago

Having been through this once and now doing it a second time as a parent the information is available. It is not hidden. The undereducated parents are the ones that need help. But I see well educated parents not pay attention. My comments apply to the traditional not for profit schools. The for profit ones are probably as you say.

dota_fanatic 11y ago
Agreed, the prudent and frugal way is possible, and more accessible than ever for those looking in the right places. And it is rewarding, very rewarding compared to the other option of irresponsibility, when you're small enough to fail hard. Be sure to look the other way as those in a positions of wealth and information advantage make orders of magnitude more progress than you, lest you get discouraged at the complete lack of fairness of it all or overhear them wondering why you're not as successful or as hard-working or as beautiful or as intelligent as them. In the professional field, we're expected to be specialists, and if you're not, you lose out (comparatively). In life, we're expected to understand and make informed decisions on a huge range of topics, and if you're not, or if you err, it's your fault. Some people have enough support to be picked up, reflect and become stronger and make better decisions next time, but most don't. If your family and your teachers and your self didn't prepare you to navigate this extremely complex world of maneuvering, intelligent, powerful agents... then what do you do? You suffer and you try to cope and you fight to find some peace by whatever means necessary, ethics be damned. You keep climbing or you fall.
dikdik 11y ago
I'm one of those people with "uneducated parents" and it's true they do not know the least about it. My father actually told every single one of his kids not to go to college. 4/5 did (a couple have grad degress) and only 1 of those has been able to make good on their investment (my sister who is a nurse). I love learning and I'm glad I am educated, but I would not do this all again. Americans pride ourselves on being a classless society, but the reality is I was born to blue collar workers and I was meant to be a blue collar worker. The extreme attempt at being a white collar worker has failed most in my family. All we did was get was huge debts that have crippled every one of us through our 20's and 30's. And then we're told to get on our hands and knees and thank our bosses for the opportunity to never be challenged or build a career. I would rather slit my throat than continue to be lied to about all these "opportunities" I apparently have. I've made plans to do just that if I am going to be forced into another bullshit job where I get to make the world worse all for the "opportunity" to not be challenged or pay off my student loans. It sucks, but I see more virtue in going off and dying.
- runamok 11y ago
  You sound like you are in a very dark place. It's true student debt is bullshit but your life is so much more important. Screw it. Leave the country before you consider dying. So many people in your boat so hopefully things will change. I am sorry you are going through this...
eqdw 11y ago
in grade 12 at my highschool we had a whole unit by the guidance staff about college. We took personality/aptitude tests that were all "tell us about yourself and we'll list some jobs you might consider preparing for" Among other things, it had five year projections for salaries and job prospects. It said "this is what these people get paid now, and this is how we think it will change". It said "this industry is in demand" or "you will have a hard time finding work doing this" This is not hard to find. Nobody looks

by epalmer 11y ago

dota_fanatic 11y ago

Agreed, the prudent and frugal way is possible, and more accessible than ever for those looking in the right places. And it is rewarding, very rewarding compared to the other option of irresponsibility, when you're small enough to fail hard. Be sure to look the other way as those in a positions of wealth and information advantage make orders of magnitude more progress than you, lest you get discouraged at the complete lack of fairness of it all or overhear them wondering why you're not as successful or as hard-working or as beautiful or as intelligent as them. In the professional field, we're expected to be specialists, and if you're not, you lose out (comparatively). In life, we're expected to understand and make informed decisions on a huge range of topics, and if you're not, or if you err, it's your fault. Some people have enough support to be picked up, reflect and become stronger and make better decisions next time, but most don't. If your family and your teachers and your self didn't prepare you to navigate this extremely complex world of maneuvering, intelligent, powerful agents... then what do you do? You suffer and you try to cope and you fight to find some peace by whatever means necessary, ethics be damned. You keep climbing or you fall.

dikdik 11y ago

I'm one of those people with "uneducated parents" and it's true they do not know the least about it. My father actually told every single one of his kids not to go to college. 4/5 did (a couple have grad degress) and only 1 of those has been able to make good on their investment (my sister who is a nurse). I love learning and I'm glad I am educated, but I would not do this all again. Americans pride ourselves on being a classless society, but the reality is I was born to blue collar workers and I was meant to be a blue collar worker. The extreme attempt at being a white collar worker has failed most in my family. All we did was get was huge debts that have crippled every one of us through our 20's and 30's. And then we're told to get on our hands and knees and thank our bosses for the opportunity to never be challenged or build a career. I would rather slit my throat than continue to be lied to about all these "opportunities" I apparently have. I've made plans to do just that if I am going to be forced into another bullshit job where I get to make the world worse all for the "opportunity" to not be challenged or pay off my student loans. It sucks, but I see more virtue in going off and dying.

runamok 11y ago
You sound like you are in a very dark place. It's true student debt is bullshit but your life is so much more important. Screw it. Leave the country before you consider dying. So many people in your boat so hopefully things will change. I am sorry you are going through this...

eqdw 11y ago

in grade 12 at my highschool we had a whole unit by the guidance staff about college. We took personality/aptitude tests that were all "tell us about yourself and we'll list some jobs you might consider preparing for" Among other things, it had five year projections for salaries and job prospects. It said "this is what these people get paid now, and this is how we think it will change". It said "this industry is in demand" or "you will have a hard time finding work doing this" This is not hard to find. Nobody looks