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Who could ever have predicted that socialism would destroy the economy?

fiatjaf 11y ago
You're right. That was totally unexpected.
kentrado 11y ago
Every time some flavour of socialism fails, out of the woodwork they come: See? Socialism doesn't work, Capitalism is perfect. Every time some flavour of socialism succeds: Hmm... Yea those Scandinavians are a ticking bomb, any day now they are going to fail. (40 years later)... Any day now...
- pmelendez 11y ago
  > Hmm... Yea those Scandinavians are a ticking bomb, Most Scandinavians countries are kingdoms ( I think only Finland is actually a republic) and when people talk about socialism they usually have Marxism-Leninism in mind. The Nordic model [1] relies on the free market to have a welfare state, which contrast with Marx's ideas of state and social classes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
  - Apocryphon 11y ago
    Not in America. In America, people think anything involving public spending is socialism. We also don't know what social democracy is and we define "liberalism" in a different way from everyone else on the planet.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > when people talk about socialism they usually have Marxism-Leninism in mind. Er, what? Socialism is much more than just Marxism even in the broad sense, and Leninist vanguardism ("Marxism-Leninism") is not particularly significant in modern socialism. About the only thing from even Marxism in the broad sense that is fairly broadly common throughout all of what people talk about under the umbrella "socialism" is the broad outline of the critique of concerns/problems with capitalism, but the actual alternatives vary considerably.
- vixen99 11y ago
  Others have argued differently. http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweden-is-no-socialist-paradise/ http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweden-is-no-soc... http://www.newgeography.com/content/002287-sweden-a-role-model-capitalist-reform http://www.newgeography.com/content/002287-sweden-a-role-mod...
Findeton 11y ago
I get it, you don't like it, but the problem here is not exactly socialism, but a disfunctional economy. They have based the economy only on one thing, oil, and now that has 1/3 of the price they need. That doesn't have anything to do with socialism.
- how2 11y ago
  > not exactly socialism, but a disfunctional economy But you repeat yourself!
how2 11y ago
NEXT time it's gonna work for sure. We just need the right people at the helm. It's now Spain's turn, apparently.

You're right. That was totally unexpected.

Every time some flavour of socialism fails, out of the woodwork they come: See? Socialism doesn't work, Capitalism is perfect. Every time some flavour of socialism succeds: Hmm... Yea those Scandinavians are a ticking bomb, any day now they are going to fail. (40 years later)... Any day now...

pmelendez 11y ago
> Hmm... Yea those Scandinavians are a ticking bomb, Most Scandinavians countries are kingdoms ( I think only Finland is actually a republic) and when people talk about socialism they usually have Marxism-Leninism in mind. The Nordic model [1] relies on the free market to have a welfare state, which contrast with Marx's ideas of state and social classes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
- Apocryphon 11y ago
  Not in America. In America, people think anything involving public spending is socialism. We also don't know what social democracy is and we define "liberalism" in a different way from everyone else on the planet.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > when people talk about socialism they usually have Marxism-Leninism in mind. Er, what? Socialism is much more than just Marxism even in the broad sense, and Leninist vanguardism ("Marxism-Leninism") is not particularly significant in modern socialism. About the only thing from even Marxism in the broad sense that is fairly broadly common throughout all of what people talk about under the umbrella "socialism" is the broad outline of the critique of concerns/problems with capitalism, but the actual alternatives vary considerably.
vixen99 11y ago
Others have argued differently. http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweden-is-no-socialist-paradise/ http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/sweden-is-no-soc... http://www.newgeography.com/content/002287-sweden-a-role-model-capitalist-reform http://www.newgeography.com/content/002287-sweden-a-role-mod...

Findeton 11y ago

I get it, you don't like it, but the problem here is not exactly socialism, but a disfunctional economy. They have based the economy only on one thing, oil, and now that has 1/3 of the price they need. That doesn't have anything to do with socialism.

how2 11y ago
> not exactly socialism, but a disfunctional economy But you repeat yourself!

how2 11y ago

NEXT time it's gonna work for sure. We just need the right people at the helm. It's now Spain's turn, apparently.