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Please keep in mind I may have completely misinterpreted your comment. > Java? Lots of JEE/App server issues to consider Why? Why not just package as an assem

by ssmoot 11y ago

Please keep in mind I may have completely misinterpreted your comment. > Java? Lots of JEE/App server issues to consider Why? Why not just package as an assembly, scp it up to a server, fire up Netty in a main-class and call it a day (this is basically all Play Framework does)? It's going to be faster/simpler in every way than any Ruby/Nginx stack you can imagine. No need to fight with matching cores to processes per deployment, no unnecessary proxies or additional services to watch/manage. Sure you can go crazy. Or maybe even need to for some use case, but even in that scenario you can bet your business on the fact that it'll still be a far simpler solution than the comparable dynamic stack. Not that I'm advocating Java exactly. I just feel like if deployment/server-issues are an issue, compared to a dynamic stack with similar throughput, then you've done something horribly horribly nightmarishly wrong. ;-)

iends 11y ago
Sorry, I used to work at IBM and in my mind Java is WebSphere and a lot of suffering. Certainly, there are other simple ways to use the Java stack with things like Play. DropWizard, etc. But there is certainly a lot more complexity around tooling and deployments and such in the Java ecosystem than either Go or Node.js (although I can't say I'm a Java expert, so it could just be I'm just wrong).
- mschulze 11y ago
  With Spring Boot (not saying Spring is one of the "uncomplex" parts of the Java ecosystem) build and deployment goes like this: `gradle build`, `scp` the jar file to a server and then you can symlink it to `/etc/init.d/` and just use it as a service.
- ssmoot 11y ago
  I can totally understand that. Feels a bit unfair to paint an entire platform with the same brush if you haven't tried the more modern alternatives though. This is a full HelloWorld web-server in Spray: http://scastie.org/14680 http://scastie.org/14680 Play can get you to Hello World even easier: $ brew install typesafe-activator $ activator new my-first-app play-scala $ activator run That's going from an off-the-shelf Mac with only homebrew installed to running your first Play app. To deploy it just run the `dist` task instead, and copy the generated .zip file to a server. Unzip it and run `./bin/my-first-app`. The only dependency you have on that system is Java. Stick a load-balancer in front and you're good to go. It's light-years beyond anything I've ever experienced on any other platform on the *nix side of things. Especially since it's also so much faster than any other platform I've worked with (decade old c# doesn't count).

by ssmoot 11y ago

iends 11y ago

Sorry, I used to work at IBM and in my mind Java is WebSphere and a lot of suffering. Certainly, there are other simple ways to use the Java stack with things like Play. DropWizard, etc. But there is certainly a lot more complexity around tooling and deployments and such in the Java ecosystem than either Go or Node.js (although I can't say I'm a Java expert, so it could just be I'm just wrong).

mschulze 11y ago
With Spring Boot (not saying Spring is one of the "uncomplex" parts of the Java ecosystem) build and deployment goes like this: `gradle build`, `scp` the jar file to a server and then you can symlink it to `/etc/init.d/` and just use it as a service.
ssmoot 11y ago
I can totally understand that. Feels a bit unfair to paint an entire platform with the same brush if you haven't tried the more modern alternatives though. This is a full HelloWorld web-server in Spray: http://scastie.org/14680 http://scastie.org/14680 Play can get you to Hello World even easier: $ brew install typesafe-activator $ activator new my-first-app play-scala $ activator run That's going from an off-the-shelf Mac with only homebrew installed to running your first Play app. To deploy it just run the `dist` task instead, and copy the generated .zip file to a server. Unzip it and run `./bin/my-first-app`. The only dependency you have on that system is Java. Stick a load-balancer in front and you're good to go. It's light-years beyond anything I've ever experienced on any other platform on the *nix side of things. Especially since it's also so much faster than any other platform I've worked with (decade old c# doesn't count).