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Sure rose-colored glasses is a part of it. But at the same time, you have them too. The problem here is lack of leadership and the organization is trying to sol

Sure rose-colored glasses is a part of it. But at the same time, you have them too. The problem here is lack of leadership and the organization is trying to solve it with management. The parable of the loggers is apt in the authors situation. > A group of loggers is busy chopping away doing great work under the supervision of the managers and achieving high productivity and throughput. Someone from a mountain overlooking the forests notices something and shouts "hey, you down there ..." - reply: "we are busy, and making great progress" ... and the person on the mountain yells "Wrong forest!" I would try to leave the company, checking out mentally while waiting for the right opportunity and getting behind management helping them get the rope so they can hang themselves. Because ultimetly the company is bigger than me and if I'm not happy working there just building features why would I stay? I don't want a reputation of building buggy software, because the company I work for doesn't focus on it. The company has no loyalty to me if times are tough, because thay lay me off if times are tough. So companies shouldn't expect any loyalty to stay from me either if they take decision that are against my interests.

vinceguidry 11y ago
> The problem here is lack of leadership and the organization is trying to solve it with management. Management is a resource that can be easily added or subtracted from an organization, leadership is not. Good leaders are rare, but management can be taught.
- JanneVee 11y ago
  Yeah and management alone doesn't suffice. Only managing the adding features and not managing the quality is a problem, and as I see it lack of leadership.
  - vinceguidry 11y ago
    You didn't seem to grasp my point. Management is a resource a company can throw at a problem. Leadership is not. Positing solutions that can't be implemented is the very definition of wishful thinking. Calling it a lack of leadership isn't helpful. You need to break the problem down further and try to find a way to solve it that doesn't involve supermen.
    - JanneVee 11y ago
      The thing is that I'm only telling what the solution isn't. Solution might be, to ask the people doing the actual work the right questions. But if that is not happening or if no one is listening to the answers, the solution is for an individual to change company. Because in my experience when the shift to wrong type of management happens, it seldomly fixes itself. And as a lowly peon you can't influence enough to change a culture that isn't a good fit for yourself. I.e. the company is ruined if you think it is. There are no solutions, you are doing the company and yourself a disservice by staying.

vinceguidry 11y ago

> The problem here is lack of leadership and the organization is trying to solve it with management. Management is a resource that can be easily added or subtracted from an organization, leadership is not. Good leaders are rare, but management can be taught.

JanneVee 11y ago
Yeah and management alone doesn't suffice. Only managing the adding features and not managing the quality is a problem, and as I see it lack of leadership.
- vinceguidry 11y ago
  You didn't seem to grasp my point. Management is a resource a company can throw at a problem. Leadership is not. Positing solutions that can't be implemented is the very definition of wishful thinking. Calling it a lack of leadership isn't helpful. You need to break the problem down further and try to find a way to solve it that doesn't involve supermen.
  - JanneVee 11y ago
    The thing is that I'm only telling what the solution isn't. Solution might be, to ask the people doing the actual work the right questions. But if that is not happening or if no one is listening to the answers, the solution is for an individual to change company. Because in my experience when the shift to wrong type of management happens, it seldomly fixes itself. And as a lowly peon you can't influence enough to change a culture that isn't a good fit for yourself. I.e. the company is ruined if you think it is. There are no solutions, you are doing the company and yourself a disservice by staying.