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#1 is a stretch. Bartenders make $50-$100/hour 2-3 nights per week, for 4-6 hours of their shifts. The best bartenders in SF are grossing $65k-$75k .. Not reall

#1 is a stretch. Bartenders make $50-$100/hour 2-3 nights per week, for 4-6 hours of their shifts. The best bartenders in SF are grossing $65k-$75k .. Not really the equivalent. They're still working poor by local standards.

lg 17y ago
Are you saying 65-75k is 'poor' in SF? Or are you excluding the best bartenders from that category?
- dnsworks 17y ago
  Most bartenders in San Francisco are below the national poverty rate. The best paid bartenders in this city make less than a first-year programmer.
commonsense 17y ago
> grossing $65k-$75k That's my fucking point! Remember bartenders get paid in cash. And they're free to spend that tax-free cash with a MASSIVE homie discount when they go out to bars and restaurants and clubs and other establishments in the same city they work in because hospitality industry people give each other discounts. How much do you think a developer who charges $50/hr is grossing after taxes? Not EVEN $75k, especially not if they apply the same confidence to their Schedule C deductions that some people on this forum have applied to their careers. Highly skilled people like competent UNIX engineers should be making a LEAST 2-3x a bartender. Naive, naive, naive.
- dnsworks 17y ago
  This all goes back to people skills. I've got a friend in the sex industry .. yes that means what you think it means. Every once and a while we talk shop .. I think I respect myself more, but she made about $175k in cash last year, a lot of it while "working" in other cities .. so she got to travel. That being said, she has more social skills then almost every sysadmin I know. Same thing with the bartender. A bunch of my friends are bartenders, and I'd much rather hang out with them than with most of my colleagues .. Of course the bartenders are far more dramatic, and most of them are either alcoholics or recovering alcoholics. There are trade-offs.
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lg 17y ago

Are you saying 65-75k is 'poor' in SF? Or are you excluding the best bartenders from that category?

dnsworks 17y ago
Most bartenders in San Francisco are below the national poverty rate. The best paid bartenders in this city make less than a first-year programmer.

commonsense 17y ago

> grossing $65k-$75k That's my fucking point! Remember bartenders get paid in cash. And they're free to spend that tax-free cash with a MASSIVE homie discount when they go out to bars and restaurants and clubs and other establishments in the same city they work in because hospitality industry people give each other discounts. How much do you think a developer who charges $50/hr is grossing after taxes? Not EVEN $75k, especially not if they apply the same confidence to their Schedule C deductions that some people on this forum have applied to their careers. Highly skilled people like competent UNIX engineers should be making a LEAST 2-3x a bartender. Naive, naive, naive.

dnsworks 17y ago
This all goes back to people skills. I've got a friend in the sex industry .. yes that means what you think it means. Every once and a while we talk shop .. I think I respect myself more, but she made about $175k in cash last year, a lot of it while "working" in other cities .. so she got to travel. That being said, she has more social skills then almost every sysadmin I know. Same thing with the bartender. A bunch of my friends are bartenders, and I'd much rather hang out with them than with most of my colleagues .. Of course the bartenders are far more dramatic, and most of them are either alcoholics or recovering alcoholics. There are trade-offs.
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