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That looks very good, I just wish I could buy it outside of the mac app store. I really dislike buying for the app store and much prefer buying directly from th

by song 11y ago

That looks very good, I just wish I could buy it outside of the mac app store. I really dislike buying for the app store and much prefer buying directly from the company...

jsjohnst 11y ago
Can you explain why? Curious as this differs from most people I've seen.
- oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
  I agree. I've downloaded the trial, and if I like what I see (and, of course, the price is right) I'll buy a copy, but only if I can buy one directly from you, not via the App store. The App store has many technical limitations, and it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright.
  - chrisseaton 11y ago
    > it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright Isn't almost all software licensed rather than ownership sold? This isn't unique to the App Store.
    - oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
      Sure, most (if not all) software comes with a licence. Maybe I'm not using the best terminology. Maybe I mean "subscribing to", although that implies regular payment. Either way, what I'm referring to is the fact that Apple becomes a point in the critical path to just running your software. Whether intentional, or accidental, Apple can remotely prevent you from running the software you've paid for (e.g. [1]). And I'm not even beginning to cover the terrible App Store app itself or the enormous cut Apple takes from independent developers. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/12/apple-user-anger-mac-apps-break-security-certificate-lapse http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/12/apple-user...
    - volaski 11y ago
      As far as I know, Apple can decide to shut down any app on their appstore if they wanted. Refer to the flux incident.
      - ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
        So I buy an app, and they can shut down the .app program on my Mac?
        volaski 11y ago
        Theoretically yes.
- brazzledazzle 11y ago
  For me: If I have a copy of the software I have it forever. With the app store I only have it as long as Apple permits. Using an older version of OS X can create issues as well, if the developer decides not to support it. If for some reason they remove it from the store I have to hope the developers make it available outside that channel. It's certainly happened with iOS apps. I'm open to being proven wrong though.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    In that way its similar to how music used to be. Had tapes; they went away. Got the LP. Gone but not forgotten. Bought the CD. They went away. Bought the DVD. All those stores are closed. So MP3. Or streaming.
    - cholantesh 11y ago
      Even before that you had the option of buying sheet music and playing it on an instrument, but that's a significant barrier to entry. And I guess the scores would wither away in a few generations.
    - brazzledazzle 11y ago
      Digital music actually became more flexible when it went from DRM protected music to MP3s. At least with that I can backup and restore it as it pleases me. But I get your overall point. It just doesn't change my preference.
  - paozac 11y ago
    True! A few months ago I wanted to install Aperture on a new laptop; since it's been pulled from the App store I couldn't find it anymore, and this is what customer support told me: I've reviewed your request, but as much I would like to restore the item for you, I won't be able to download "Aperture" to your account because the amount of time that has passed since this purchase was made prohibits us from restoring it. Goodbye App store.
    - coldtea 11y ago
- andystanton 11y ago
  I like the ability to install apps from the Homebrew Cask Tap [1] to automate my laptop setup where possible. Apps that are only available in the App Store aren't usually installable this way. [1] https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask
  - st3v3r 11y ago
    True, but they're usually easy enough to install themselves.
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
- song 11y ago
  Sorry hadn't seen your message earlier. Everyone pretty much covered it but basically I have multiple reasons why: - an app on the app store can be pulled out at any moment. - I can't backup a specific version of the software that I like (I've seen before software become overly bloated in future versions forcing me to keep using an older version) - I do not want to support Apple's policies on the app store and do not want to ever end up having a system that's as restricted as IOS (although if that happens I'd jump ship back to Linux so I guess my non app store purchases would become useless anyway) - my experience with ios app store reviews told me that Apple rules are idiotic, the review experience is poorly managed and they don't give a fuck about keeping developers happy now that iphones are massively successful (very different than when they were trying to court developers back in 2005ish...). I don't want my money to help finance this with the 30% cut that Apple takes. It all really boils to control, being able to keep backup of the software I use, having access to that software even if the developer stops selling it for whatever reason. I dislike the fact that end users have less and less control over the platform they buy and I do not want to be part of that. I'm a tad hypocritical since I use a mac and I have an iphone lying around to test and software dev on but buying on the app store is where I draw the line.

by song 11y ago

That looks very good, I just wish I could buy it outside of the mac app store. I really dislike buying for the app store and much prefer buying directly from the company...

jsjohnst 11y ago

Can you explain why? Curious as this differs from most people I've seen.

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
I agree. I've downloaded the trial, and if I like what I see (and, of course, the price is right) I'll buy a copy, but only if I can buy one directly from you, not via the App store. The App store has many technical limitations, and it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright.
- chrisseaton 11y ago
  > it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright Isn't almost all software licensed rather than ownership sold? This isn't unique to the App Store.
  - oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
    Sure, most (if not all) software comes with a licence. Maybe I'm not using the best terminology. Maybe I mean "subscribing to", although that implies regular payment. Either way, what I'm referring to is the fact that Apple becomes a point in the critical path to just running your software. Whether intentional, or accidental, Apple can remotely prevent you from running the software you've paid for (e.g. [1]). And I'm not even beginning to cover the terrible App Store app itself or the enormous cut Apple takes from independent developers. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/12/apple-user-anger-mac-apps-break-security-certificate-lapse http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/12/apple-user...
  - volaski 11y ago
    As far as I know, Apple can decide to shut down any app on their appstore if they wanted. Refer to the flux incident.
    - ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
      So I buy an app, and they can shut down the .app program on my Mac?
      - volaski 11y ago
        Theoretically yes.
brazzledazzle 11y ago
For me: If I have a copy of the software I have it forever. With the app store I only have it as long as Apple permits. Using an older version of OS X can create issues as well, if the developer decides not to support it. If for some reason they remove it from the store I have to hope the developers make it available outside that channel. It's certainly happened with iOS apps. I'm open to being proven wrong though.
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  In that way its similar to how music used to be. Had tapes; they went away. Got the LP. Gone but not forgotten. Bought the CD. They went away. Bought the DVD. All those stores are closed. So MP3. Or streaming.
  - cholantesh 11y ago
    Even before that you had the option of buying sheet music and playing it on an instrument, but that's a significant barrier to entry. And I guess the scores would wither away in a few generations.
  - brazzledazzle 11y ago
    Digital music actually became more flexible when it went from DRM protected music to MP3s. At least with that I can backup and restore it as it pleases me. But I get your overall point. It just doesn't change my preference.
- paozac 11y ago
  True! A few months ago I wanted to install Aperture on a new laptop; since it's been pulled from the App store I couldn't find it anymore, and this is what customer support told me: I've reviewed your request, but as much I would like to restore the item for you, I won't be able to download "Aperture" to your account because the amount of time that has passed since this purchase was made prohibits us from restoring it. Goodbye App store.
  - coldtea 11y ago
andystanton 11y ago
I like the ability to install apps from the Homebrew Cask Tap [1] to automate my laptop setup where possible. Apps that are only available in the App Store aren't usually installable this way. [1] https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask
- st3v3r 11y ago
  True, but they're usually easy enough to install themselves.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
song 11y ago
Sorry hadn't seen your message earlier. Everyone pretty much covered it but basically I have multiple reasons why: - an app on the app store can be pulled out at any moment. - I can't backup a specific version of the software that I like (I've seen before software become overly bloated in future versions forcing me to keep using an older version) - I do not want to support Apple's policies on the app store and do not want to ever end up having a system that's as restricted as IOS (although if that happens I'd jump ship back to Linux so I guess my non app store purchases would become useless anyway) - my experience with ios app store reviews told me that Apple rules are idiotic, the review experience is poorly managed and they don't give a fuck about keeping developers happy now that iphones are massively successful (very different than when they were trying to court developers back in 2005ish...). I don't want my money to help finance this with the 30% cut that Apple takes. It all really boils to control, being able to keep backup of the software I use, having access to that software even if the developer stops selling it for whatever reason. I dislike the fact that end users have less and less control over the platform they buy and I do not want to be part of that. I'm a tad hypocritical since I use a mac and I have an iphone lying around to test and software dev on but buying on the app store is where I draw the line.