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>I also find that the best health insurance policy is to take care of yourself >minimize your health risks (thankfully programming is not very hazardous healt

>I also find that the best health insurance policy is to take care of yourself >minimize your health risks (thankfully programming is not very hazardous health risks from being seated and sedentary all day are quite extreme. Unless you meant they should join a gym and increase their expenses, thus increasing the amount of work they need to do to pay their bills. So we've got: health insurance, car insurance, gym membership, housing/rent, food, gas, internet connection, electricity, any current debt (student loans, car loans, mortgage, personal loans, etc), any savings contributions for retirement. So yeah, just cut all those expenses by 10x, have a job that allows you to work less than 20 hours/ week from anywhere, and have a altruistic goal that can also be met remotely without interacting with anyone ever. Oh and also, be a programmer - remember that an altruistic life is reserved for very specific niches of society, altruism should never be the goal of the huddled masses.

marknutter 11y ago
> Unless you meant they should join a gym and increase their expenses, thus increasing the amount of work they need to do to pay their bills. On what planet is a gym membership required to maintain a healthy lifestyle? How's this for an option: instead of owning/maintaining a car and paying for car insurance, ride a bike to work. Now you've killed two birds with one stone. > internet connection How about instead of paying for an internet connection you go to a library or hang out at a coffeeshop when you need to use it. Or go in with a neighbor to get it cheaper. > any current debt (student loans, car loans, mortgage, personal loans, etc) Sell the car, sell the house, and as far as the student loans go, consolidate them and pay the minimum for as long as you need to. > So yeah, just cut all those expenses by 10x, have a job that allows you to work less than 20 hours/ week from anywhere, and have a altruistic goal that can also be met remotely without interacting with anyone ever. Most people's expenses can be cut by about that much if they just give up the luxury of owning and operating a car and move to a region/neighborhood that has much cheaper rent (or take roommates gasp!). I have to image if your very survival depended on a 10x decrease in your expenses you'd be clever enough to make it happen. > Oh and also, be a programmer - remember that an altruistic life is reserved for very specific niches of society, altruism should never be the goal of the huddled masses. I don't remember me or anyone else ever saying that in this thread.
- unprepare 11y ago
  > ride a bike to work. LOL, in a rural location that you suggested to lower rent? Work is likely to be at least a 20 minute commute by car, more than 15 miles each way for sure. ( the US average commute time is 25.4 minutes) Also, biking to and from work would reduce the time you are able to spend on your altruism even further. >How about instead of paying for an internet connection you go to a library or hang out at a coffeeshop when you need to use it. Or go in with a neighbor to get it cheaper. Because no one is going to hire a remote freelancer without an internet connection? are you even serious? this is laughable. >sell the house right cutting your expenses is much easier when youre not paying rent, youre right just be homeless! then you can help all the animals you want! >as far as the student loans go, consolidate them and pay the minimum for as long as you need to. right, still left with a student loan payment at the end of that, so this doesnt offer any solutions at all. > luxury of owning and operating a car and move to a region/neighborhood that has much cheaper rent (or take roommates gasp!) So where do you have in mind? you must have something really specific in mind because i cant think of a single area with very low cost of living and very high bikeable/walkable streets - please enlighten us as to the perfect place to live. >I don't remember me or anyone else ever saying that in this thread. right, but youre giving advice that says "you dont need basic income to be altruistic, you can just work remotely and live somewhere cheap, then work less and use your free time to be altruistic" Wherein the 'working remotely' applies only to a very niche set of jobs (which all universally require an internet connection and specific set of skills) Sorry man, your hypothetical solution is plainly not realistic. In order to help save the lives of animals thats what this person should do? They should: Move to a low cost of living area Work at most half as much as you do now (and have a job that is somehow OK with that) sell your car sell your house consolidate all loans get a remote freelance job get rid of your internet connection and only use the library cut all your costs by 10x bike to work oh right, also: dont have a spouse dont have children work in a remote-friendly industry desire to perform remote-friendly altruistic work dont save for retirement dont get sick dont get injured but yeah man, this sounds totally doable for anyone who wants to support a cause, this sounds like the type of society anyone would want to live in; way worse than providing people with a basic income enabling the entire country to pursue their altruism
  - 11y ago

marknutter 11y ago

> Unless you meant they should join a gym and increase their expenses, thus increasing the amount of work they need to do to pay their bills. On what planet is a gym membership required to maintain a healthy lifestyle? How's this for an option: instead of owning/maintaining a car and paying for car insurance, ride a bike to work. Now you've killed two birds with one stone. > internet connection How about instead of paying for an internet connection you go to a library or hang out at a coffeeshop when you need to use it. Or go in with a neighbor to get it cheaper. > any current debt (student loans, car loans, mortgage, personal loans, etc) Sell the car, sell the house, and as far as the student loans go, consolidate them and pay the minimum for as long as you need to. > So yeah, just cut all those expenses by 10x, have a job that allows you to work less than 20 hours/ week from anywhere, and have a altruistic goal that can also be met remotely without interacting with anyone ever. Most people's expenses can be cut by about that much if they just give up the luxury of owning and operating a car and move to a region/neighborhood that has much cheaper rent (or take roommates gasp!). I have to image if your very survival depended on a 10x decrease in your expenses you'd be clever enough to make it happen. > Oh and also, be a programmer - remember that an altruistic life is reserved for very specific niches of society, altruism should never be the goal of the huddled masses. I don't remember me or anyone else ever saying that in this thread.

unprepare 11y ago
> ride a bike to work. LOL, in a rural location that you suggested to lower rent? Work is likely to be at least a 20 minute commute by car, more than 15 miles each way for sure. ( the US average commute time is 25.4 minutes) Also, biking to and from work would reduce the time you are able to spend on your altruism even further. >How about instead of paying for an internet connection you go to a library or hang out at a coffeeshop when you need to use it. Or go in with a neighbor to get it cheaper. Because no one is going to hire a remote freelancer without an internet connection? are you even serious? this is laughable. >sell the house right cutting your expenses is much easier when youre not paying rent, youre right just be homeless! then you can help all the animals you want! >as far as the student loans go, consolidate them and pay the minimum for as long as you need to. right, still left with a student loan payment at the end of that, so this doesnt offer any solutions at all. > luxury of owning and operating a car and move to a region/neighborhood that has much cheaper rent (or take roommates gasp!) So where do you have in mind? you must have something really specific in mind because i cant think of a single area with very low cost of living and very high bikeable/walkable streets - please enlighten us as to the perfect place to live. >I don't remember me or anyone else ever saying that in this thread. right, but youre giving advice that says "you dont need basic income to be altruistic, you can just work remotely and live somewhere cheap, then work less and use your free time to be altruistic" Wherein the 'working remotely' applies only to a very niche set of jobs (which all universally require an internet connection and specific set of skills) Sorry man, your hypothetical solution is plainly not realistic. In order to help save the lives of animals thats what this person should do? They should: Move to a low cost of living area Work at most half as much as you do now (and have a job that is somehow OK with that) sell your car sell your house consolidate all loans get a remote freelance job get rid of your internet connection and only use the library cut all your costs by 10x bike to work oh right, also: dont have a spouse dont have children work in a remote-friendly industry desire to perform remote-friendly altruistic work dont save for retirement dont get sick dont get injured but yeah man, this sounds totally doable for anyone who wants to support a cause, this sounds like the type of society anyone would want to live in; way worse than providing people with a basic income enabling the entire country to pursue their altruism
- 11y ago