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To be fair to your first point, if you set up a bouncer or use a client inside of screen/tmux you can absolutely catch up on what was said earlier in IRC.
by prg318 11y ago
To be fair to your first point, if you set up a bouncer or use a client inside of screen/tmux you can absolutely catch up on what was said earlier in IRC.
- bjt 11y agoAnd then you're back to the "easier to use" point. Maintaining an IRC bouncer is a chore that only an uber geek could love.
- snuxoll 11y agoReally? I just leave irssi running on my linode, I don't even bother running a local client most of the time, I just SSH in and use it. The only exception is when I'm on mobile, and I have irssi-proxy running for that one special case.
- hellofunk 11y agoCool.. but I think you just underscored bjt's point.
- davidw 11y agoI think part of this debate is that for some people, the above is a pretty normal and easy way of doing things, and for others, it's a large barrier to entry.
- prg318 11y agoIf setting up an IRC client is a large barrier to entry for a coder, I would have some serious doubts about the merits of their code.
- an_account 11y ago"Uber geek"
- snuxoll 11y agoReally, having a $10 VPS and using screen or tmux is "uber-geek"? Look, if you can code in virtually any programming language I'd like to think you have the ability to use screen and irssi in under 10 minutes. We are talking specifically about open source projects, not general IM across a business (though I'd still use IRC there, just give everyone hexchat/xchat/whatever nice GUI client you want). For end-user support people are still more than capable of using a desktop IRC client, as evidenced by the WEALTH of people that ask questions on #fedora, #debian, #ubuntu, etc every single day.
- kefka 11y agoNo, having a cheap VPS handle automatable tasks isn't ubergeek. Setting up Node-red on a VPS, and logging a dozen IRC rooms you're interested in, storing in a MongoDB, and creating a search DB... over TOR is being an "uber-geek". And it took me 10 minutes to set up. No programming required, interestingly enough.
- jeena 11y ago> having a $10 VPS Oh yes that is definitely uber-geek.
- mikeash 11y agoWe're talking about chats for open source programming projects, not the local book club. In that context, setting up an IRC bouncer or running a command line client in tmux on a VPS is not really a high bar.
- st3v3r 11y agoIt is if you want the project to appeal to a wide range of people, besides just techies.
- kuschku 11y agoReally? Ever seen IRCCloud or Quassel? Simple "one-click" "just works™" IRC bouncers, perfectly integrating.
- lmm 11y agoIRCCloud costs money these days, and it's no more open-source than Slack in any case.
- kaiizen 11y agoI set my ZNC up in 5 minutes and haven't touched it in 2 years other than to change my silly vhosts.
- st3v3r 11y agoWhich is additional configuration to pay for and/or take the time to set up. And that you have to think ahead enough to realize you need this before you actually need it.