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And yet, people will continue to praise people like Bernie Sanders. Centralizing government authority does not make the world better.

by um_ya 11y ago

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knowaveragejoe 11y ago
Is that because it is inherently flawed, or because it isn't done correctly?
- viggity 11y ago
  No true scotsman, huh? Like it or not, power corrupts. the more centralized, the more power, the more corruption.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    Transparency negates corruption, centralized or not.
    - kbutler 11y ago
      There are lots of corrupt governments that are pretty open and transparent about it. I'm not sure that transparency can trump centralized power. When you get enough centralized power, you get to do what you want, whatever others think. Quick google search: http://info-a.wdfiles.com/local--files/resursi/Catharina%20Lindstedt.%20Daniel%20Naurin%202003%20Transparency%20Against%20Corruption%20_Accepted%20version_.pdf http://info-a.wdfiles.com/local--files/resursi/Catharina%20L... "reforms focusing on increasing transparency should be accompanied by measures for strengthening citizens’ capacity to act upon the available information if we are to see positive effects on corruption. "
error_logic 11y ago
Government is not the only form of centralization of power. Private entities pose similar threats, at a certain point. Sanders: "If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist." Government can centralize things, yes. It can also break up existing centralized markets...and increase healthy competition.
- um_ya 11y ago
  Sanders is simply taking power from several financial elites, and giving it to a single centralized authority. Sanders fails to realize that the biggest institution that is too big to fail, is the U.S. government. We should spend more time dismantling all the government powers, and not adding to them.
  - error_logic 11y ago
    The increasing centralization of things like emergency powers that state governors once controlled (details would take research to cite) is worrisome and you make a fair point. You lost me when you said "all" powers though. The Constitution is a 2nd draft for a reason: We need some centralized power to keep a unified front in order to benefit from the economy of scale it provides.

And yet, people will continue to praise people like Bernie Sanders. Centralizing government authority does not make the world better.

by um_ya 11y ago

And yet, people will continue to praise people like Bernie Sanders. Centralizing government authority does not make the world better.

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knowaveragejoe 11y ago

Is that because it is inherently flawed, or because it isn't done correctly?

viggity 11y ago
No true scotsman, huh? Like it or not, power corrupts. the more centralized, the more power, the more corruption.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Transparency negates corruption, centralized or not.
  - kbutler 11y ago
    There are lots of corrupt governments that are pretty open and transparent about it. I'm not sure that transparency can trump centralized power. When you get enough centralized power, you get to do what you want, whatever others think. Quick google search: http://info-a.wdfiles.com/local--files/resursi/Catharina%20Lindstedt.%20Daniel%20Naurin%202003%20Transparency%20Against%20Corruption%20_Accepted%20version_.pdf http://info-a.wdfiles.com/local--files/resursi/Catharina%20L... "reforms focusing on increasing transparency should be accompanied by measures for strengthening citizens’ capacity to act upon the available information if we are to see positive effects on corruption. "

error_logic 11y ago

Government is not the only form of centralization of power. Private entities pose similar threats, at a certain point. Sanders: "If an institution is too big to fail, it is too big to exist." Government can centralize things, yes. It can also break up existing centralized markets...and increase healthy competition.

um_ya 11y ago
Sanders is simply taking power from several financial elites, and giving it to a single centralized authority. Sanders fails to realize that the biggest institution that is too big to fail, is the U.S. government. We should spend more time dismantling all the government powers, and not adding to them.
- error_logic 11y ago
  The increasing centralization of things like emergency powers that state governors once controlled (details would take research to cite) is worrisome and you make a fair point. You lost me when you said "all" powers though. The Constitution is a 2nd draft for a reason: We need some centralized power to keep a unified front in order to benefit from the economy of scale it provides.