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What health-care did you require? It is hard to imagine a scenario where someone can "become better" without having an internal, personal, change. I don't belie

What health-care did you require? It is hard to imagine a scenario where someone can "become better" without having an internal, personal, change. I don't believe psychiatrists can think for you (though they can certainly feed you thoughts).

autoreleasepool 11y ago
> I don't believe psychiatrists can think for you (though they can certainly feed you thoughts). Right... like I said, it takes A LOT of effort on the suffers part. It's none of you business, but I take an SSRI and do cognitive behavioral therapy for OCD. The behavioral therapy is for learning and developing good habits and the medication helps prevent intrusive and obsessive thoughts. Nobody is "thinking for me" (It saddens me that this is the prejudice you have). These professionals help me help myself, by giving me tools, information, and guidelines I would not have access to otherwise. A college-level course on object oriented programming isn't going to magically make you a good Java developer, but it may help you learn in a more sophisticated way than a self-taught curriculum. Either way, you wouldn't shame someone for "not helping themselves" or "taking the easy way out" by enrolling in such a course.
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  >Nobody is "thinking for me" (It saddens me that this is the prejudice you have). As I said, I don't think that is possible. I only meant to counter-point your point: >it's not as simple as "training yourself" out of it. In some sense, it is that simple, as that is really the only base tool that one can access (probably why CBT is so helpful). That is, no one else can 'train you out of it'; they might be able to show you the door, but you have to walk through it.
  - autoreleasepool 11y ago
    No, it's not that simple. You're actually contradicting yourself a lot so I'm debating if it's worth replying. > (probably why CBT is so helpful) I'd say the medication is more helpful, to be honest. BTW, "that's probably why CBT is so helpful" does not follow from "training yourself is the only base tool that one can access". CBT is not at all training yourself. It's almost literally the opposite.
    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      Please list a self-contradiction.
fit2rule 11y ago
Plus there is that whole cargo-cult thing that happens with psychology, wherein anyone can read a few books about it and suddenly know there is, really, to know about a subject that won't ever subject itself to qualification. Help can be had beyond the authoritarian social structures imposed by officiated academic pursuit of control over another persons mind.

autoreleasepool 11y ago

> I don't believe psychiatrists can think for you (though they can certainly feed you thoughts). Right... like I said, it takes A LOT of effort on the suffers part. It's none of you business, but I take an SSRI and do cognitive behavioral therapy for OCD. The behavioral therapy is for learning and developing good habits and the medication helps prevent intrusive and obsessive thoughts. Nobody is "thinking for me" (It saddens me that this is the prejudice you have). These professionals help me help myself, by giving me tools, information, and guidelines I would not have access to otherwise. A college-level course on object oriented programming isn't going to magically make you a good Java developer, but it may help you learn in a more sophisticated way than a self-taught curriculum. Either way, you wouldn't shame someone for "not helping themselves" or "taking the easy way out" by enrolling in such a course.

jsprogrammer 11y ago
>Nobody is "thinking for me" (It saddens me that this is the prejudice you have). As I said, I don't think that is possible. I only meant to counter-point your point: >it's not as simple as "training yourself" out of it. In some sense, it is that simple, as that is really the only base tool that one can access (probably why CBT is so helpful). That is, no one else can 'train you out of it'; they might be able to show you the door, but you have to walk through it.
- autoreleasepool 11y ago
  No, it's not that simple. You're actually contradicting yourself a lot so I'm debating if it's worth replying. > (probably why CBT is so helpful) I'd say the medication is more helpful, to be honest. BTW, "that's probably why CBT is so helpful" does not follow from "training yourself is the only base tool that one can access". CBT is not at all training yourself. It's almost literally the opposite.
  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    Please list a self-contradiction.

fit2rule 11y ago

Plus there is that whole cargo-cult thing that happens with psychology, wherein anyone can read a few books about it and suddenly know there is, really, to know about a subject that won't ever subject itself to qualification. Help can be had beyond the authoritarian social structures imposed by officiated academic pursuit of control over another persons mind.