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The real problem is the image the EU has of itself. The EuGH decided that personal data in the US is not safe but it is safe in the EU. When in reality at lea

The real problem is the image the EU has of itself. The EuGH decided that personal data in the US is not safe but it is safe in the EU. When in reality at least the UK, French and German secret agencies have spied and are spying on internet communications and data.

sandworm101 11y ago
Yes, but Europeans are free to deal with those issues through local channels. If the germans are acting illegally against a French citizen then there is a place for that to be resolved. An EU citizen cannot go after NSA. That;s one of the big sticking points. It's not about how the countries act so much as it is about the rights of citizens to challenge that action through legal process.
- BogusIKnow 11y ago
  Where is the place for a French citizen to 'resolve' the issue when being spied upon by the GCHQ? Where is the place for a UK citizen to 'resolve' the issue with the BND?
  - sandworm101 11y ago
    My french isn't great, but in the UK you can file with the ICO. You might not be happy with the outcome, but it is the start of the legal process. The reason safe harbour is falling apart today is precisely because a determined EU citizen filed such a complaint against a US corp. https://www.gov.uk/data-protection/make-a-complaint https://www.gov.uk/data-protection/make-a-complaint
    - BogusIKnow 11y ago
      From my understanding the reason safe harbor is falling apart is because a citizen went to court because the Irish data protection agency didn't want to investigate the data transfer of Facebook in detail. Not because a determined citizen files a complaint against an US corp.
M2Ys4U 11y ago
The Court of Justice of the European Union also recently struck down the Data Retention Directive so they're not exactly slouching when it comes to protecting EU citizens but they can only rule on the cases that are referred to them from national courts.

sandworm101 11y ago

Yes, but Europeans are free to deal with those issues through local channels. If the germans are acting illegally against a French citizen then there is a place for that to be resolved. An EU citizen cannot go after NSA. That;s one of the big sticking points. It's not about how the countries act so much as it is about the rights of citizens to challenge that action through legal process.

BogusIKnow 11y ago
Where is the place for a French citizen to 'resolve' the issue when being spied upon by the GCHQ? Where is the place for a UK citizen to 'resolve' the issue with the BND?
- sandworm101 11y ago
  My french isn't great, but in the UK you can file with the ICO. You might not be happy with the outcome, but it is the start of the legal process. The reason safe harbour is falling apart today is precisely because a determined EU citizen filed such a complaint against a US corp. https://www.gov.uk/data-protection/make-a-complaint https://www.gov.uk/data-protection/make-a-complaint
  - BogusIKnow 11y ago
    From my understanding the reason safe harbor is falling apart is because a citizen went to court because the Irish data protection agency didn't want to investigate the data transfer of Facebook in detail. Not because a determined citizen files a complaint against an US corp.

M2Ys4U 11y ago

The Court of Justice of the European Union also recently struck down the Data Retention Directive so they're not exactly slouching when it comes to protecting EU citizens but they can only rule on the cases that are referred to them from national courts.