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I think you're conflating psychological therapy with psychiatric treatment. Bad diagnoses happen in every medical field. There are plenty of bad doctors, bad th

I think you're conflating psychological therapy with psychiatric treatment. Bad diagnoses happen in every medical field. There are plenty of bad doctors, bad therapists, bad social workers, bad lawyers, etc... It doesn't mean there's anything inherently wrong with these professions. People in general are flawed. I'm sorry about what happened to you. That being said, I don't think your anecdote is representative of the typical result of mental health care. Surely we would have less school shootings and smaller prison populations if we ended the fear mongering and stigmas associated with mental health and had more routine psychological evaluations. For the record, 2nd grade is, IMO, way too young to start any kind of stimulant. I don't have ADD, but I do know "ADD/ADHD denial" can be the gateway drug for thinking other mental health acronyms are bullshit too.

alexashka 11y ago
I think you're deeply misunderstanding the underlying reasons for school shootings and disproportionately large prison populations. It is like saying if we gave each homeless person money, we'd fix homelessness. Now just replace homelessness with psychological issues and money with psychologist.
- autoreleasepool 11y ago
  > think you're deeply misunderstanding the underlying reasons for school shootings and disproportionately large prison populations. No, the underlying reasons I gave are factual. http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21582535-costly-criminalisation-mentally-ill-locked http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21582535-costly-...
  - da1 11y ago
    Nowhere in that article is there a mention of school shootings. Not even indirectly. You are not acting in good faith.
    - autoreleasepool 11y ago
      It's over. Stop trolling me. That was an article about the decline of menta health care and the absurd rise in prison populations that went along with it. Which is half of what we were talking about. You are either a troll or an antipschiatry zealot.
      - da1 11y ago
        You mentioned specifically school shootings and gave that article as a source. In no way did it address the issue. Stop poisoning the discussion with unrelated sources that in no way support your points. People that read your comment might be under the impression that the article had any relevance. It didn't in any way. Pointing that your sources in no way support your views is not trolling. You're just using ad hominem again in order to not be challenged. It won't work. Give it up.
da1 11y ago
> I think you're conflating psychological therapy with psychiatric treatment. Bad diagnoses happen in every medical field. This is a basic rebuttal from people like you. It's not bad practitioners, the field is inherently subjective and without scientific merit while pretending to be otherwise. You feel it helped you. Great, happy for you! Some people think astrology is a very good and positive influence in their lives. Great for them too. Regardless of that, my life shouldn't be ruled by pseudo-science and I really resent that these people get to strip anyone of their civil rights based on simply their opinions and nothing else.
- autoreleasepool 11y ago
  Whatever happened to you, I'm sorry.
  - da1 11y ago
    And another ad hominem from you... Thankfully I've never had any (positive or negative) encounter with psychiatry and neither has anyone I like so unlike you, I'm not biased. Your comment is a very common technique which consists in dismissing reasonable criticism by implying that the commenter is somewhat broken. In reality you are the one that is broken by your own admission. You're incapable of living your life without resorting to pseudo-scientific fields. 100 or 200 years ago you would be here defending your exorcist and how without his benevolent influence you would be unable to live a decent life.
    - autoreleasepool 11y ago
      > In reality you are the one that is broken wow. > pseudo-scientific It's a young scientific field that has been hurt by cultural distrust and misinformation. It hasn't helped that people like you have been spreading FUD. The efficacy for SSRI's treating OCD is about 50%. There is on going research for better second line treatments. I'm lucky in that it's been very effective for me. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181958/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181958/ EDIT: You lost all legitimacy when you called me "broken". You're disgusting and I'm done responding to you.

alexashka 11y ago

I think you're deeply misunderstanding the underlying reasons for school shootings and disproportionately large prison populations. It is like saying if we gave each homeless person money, we'd fix homelessness. Now just replace homelessness with psychological issues and money with psychologist.

autoreleasepool 11y ago
> think you're deeply misunderstanding the underlying reasons for school shootings and disproportionately large prison populations. No, the underlying reasons I gave are factual. http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21582535-costly-criminalisation-mentally-ill-locked http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21582535-costly-...
- da1 11y ago
  Nowhere in that article is there a mention of school shootings. Not even indirectly. You are not acting in good faith.
  - autoreleasepool 11y ago
    It's over. Stop trolling me. That was an article about the decline of menta health care and the absurd rise in prison populations that went along with it. Which is half of what we were talking about. You are either a troll or an antipschiatry zealot.
    - da1 11y ago
      You mentioned specifically school shootings and gave that article as a source. In no way did it address the issue. Stop poisoning the discussion with unrelated sources that in no way support your points. People that read your comment might be under the impression that the article had any relevance. It didn't in any way. Pointing that your sources in no way support your views is not trolling. You're just using ad hominem again in order to not be challenged. It won't work. Give it up.

da1 11y ago

> I think you're conflating psychological therapy with psychiatric treatment. Bad diagnoses happen in every medical field. This is a basic rebuttal from people like you. It's not bad practitioners, the field is inherently subjective and without scientific merit while pretending to be otherwise. You feel it helped you. Great, happy for you! Some people think astrology is a very good and positive influence in their lives. Great for them too. Regardless of that, my life shouldn't be ruled by pseudo-science and I really resent that these people get to strip anyone of their civil rights based on simply their opinions and nothing else.

autoreleasepool 11y ago
Whatever happened to you, I'm sorry.
- da1 11y ago
  And another ad hominem from you... Thankfully I've never had any (positive or negative) encounter with psychiatry and neither has anyone I like so unlike you, I'm not biased. Your comment is a very common technique which consists in dismissing reasonable criticism by implying that the commenter is somewhat broken. In reality you are the one that is broken by your own admission. You're incapable of living your life without resorting to pseudo-scientific fields. 100 or 200 years ago you would be here defending your exorcist and how without his benevolent influence you would be unable to live a decent life.
  - autoreleasepool 11y ago
    > In reality you are the one that is broken wow. > pseudo-scientific It's a young scientific field that has been hurt by cultural distrust and misinformation. It hasn't helped that people like you have been spreading FUD. The efficacy for SSRI's treating OCD is about 50%. There is on going research for better second line treatments. I'm lucky in that it's been very effective for me. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181958/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181958/ EDIT: You lost all legitimacy when you called me "broken". You're disgusting and I'm done responding to you.