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Kidnapping is quite different from extradition. Likely I'm not understanding the situation correctly, but I'd think an extradition should require some type of o

Kidnapping is quite different from extradition. Likely I'm not understanding the situation correctly, but I'd think an extradition should require some type of oversight/consensus whereas a rendition skips straight to confining the subject.

BWStearns 11y ago
> ... extradition should require some type of oversight/consensus whereas a rendition [kidnapping?] skips straight ... Since the Danish government agreed to let the plane sit there and there is an extradition treaty between the two countries I expect there was oversight and consensus.
- rdtsc 11y ago
  > I expect there was oversight and consensus. Right. Except if there was an extradition treaty and they planned on relying on it, they wouldn't need a plane on the ground and a paramilitary team ready to go?
  - BWStearns 11y ago
    > Right. Except if there was an extradition treaty they wouldn't need a plane on the ground and a paramilitary team ready to go? You would if the Danes didn't want to go apprehend him themselves (I wouldn't if I were them, the news clip would look bad). If he were already in custody there would be no need for a plane and a team, though presumably he would get on some plane at some point if apprehended just as a matter of practicality.
    - letitleak 11y ago
      I don't really get your point. If someone is going to be apprehended on your soil that basically has to be by your nationals. Agents of another nation are not capable of placing or moving someone in custody they are just criminals engaged in a kidnapping unless the situation matches some extraordinary one covered in a specific treaty. It would be fascinating if Denmark and the US have such a treaty, and if that is recent then I would wonder if that doesn't subject Denmark to penalties by other members of the EU and/or other nations in the Schengen treaty. It certainly should.
    - toyg 11y ago
      > the news clip would look bad Not as bad as the one where foreign military forces just run around Denmark kidnapping people and imposing their (martial) law over Danish land? I doubt it. You might not remember those months. US officials forced a foreign diplomatic plane to land on European soil and basically acted like enraged bulls (or rather angry but headless chickens) for weeks. The Danes would have had to do what they were bloody told to do, regardless of how they might have looked in a news clip, because that's what the almighty US wanted at that time, end of story.
      - tajen 11y ago
        What if the plane wasn't only for Snowden? I can't imagine a team of trained paramilitaries standing by for a few months, just for one person. In fact, did the plane leave empty?
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BWStearns 11y ago

> ... extradition should require some type of oversight/consensus whereas a rendition [kidnapping?] skips straight ... Since the Danish government agreed to let the plane sit there and there is an extradition treaty between the two countries I expect there was oversight and consensus.

rdtsc 11y ago
> I expect there was oversight and consensus. Right. Except if there was an extradition treaty and they planned on relying on it, they wouldn't need a plane on the ground and a paramilitary team ready to go?
- BWStearns 11y ago
  > Right. Except if there was an extradition treaty they wouldn't need a plane on the ground and a paramilitary team ready to go? You would if the Danes didn't want to go apprehend him themselves (I wouldn't if I were them, the news clip would look bad). If he were already in custody there would be no need for a plane and a team, though presumably he would get on some plane at some point if apprehended just as a matter of practicality.
  - letitleak 11y ago
    I don't really get your point. If someone is going to be apprehended on your soil that basically has to be by your nationals. Agents of another nation are not capable of placing or moving someone in custody they are just criminals engaged in a kidnapping unless the situation matches some extraordinary one covered in a specific treaty. It would be fascinating if Denmark and the US have such a treaty, and if that is recent then I would wonder if that doesn't subject Denmark to penalties by other members of the EU and/or other nations in the Schengen treaty. It certainly should.
  - toyg 11y ago
    > the news clip would look bad Not as bad as the one where foreign military forces just run around Denmark kidnapping people and imposing their (martial) law over Danish land? I doubt it. You might not remember those months. US officials forced a foreign diplomatic plane to land on European soil and basically acted like enraged bulls (or rather angry but headless chickens) for weeks. The Danes would have had to do what they were bloody told to do, regardless of how they might have looked in a news clip, because that's what the almighty US wanted at that time, end of story.
    - tajen 11y ago
      What if the plane wasn't only for Snowden? I can't imagine a team of trained paramilitaries standing by for a few months, just for one person. In fact, did the plane leave empty?
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