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A few thoughts here: •Shading. Cars don't occupy 100% of a highway, even when it's stopped bumper-to-bumper. The faster cars go, the larger the gaps between
by mchannon 11y ago
A few thoughts here:
•Shading. Cars don't occupy 100% of a highway, even when it's stopped bumper-to-bumper. The faster cars go, the larger the gaps between them. For PV, the recovery is instantaneous, and for a large road surface, the power output flat and steady in spite of car movement. The most sunlight will come in from the best angle during the noon hour, when roads experience little traffic. Morning and evening rush hour usually suck for sunlight to begin with (the sun's lower in the sky), so even bumper-to-bumper shading wouldn't be taking much away from the total.
•Dirt. The technical term for dirt on a solar panel is "dusting". It's a factor, and even in places where it rains mud on occasion, a pretty minor one. The rain eventually washes most of the gunk away. A much more significant factor would be heat buildup. PV's put out more power the colder they are. On rooftops they can convect that heat away. On road surfaces, not as much.
•Ruggedness. Having broken more solar panels than anyone I know, I can attest that a PV road surface can be done right. Cars don't jump Mario-style on surfaces but rather apply predictable compression and shear stresses that would have about as much effect on the tempered glass surfaces as your windshield wipers do on your windshield. Even a shattered solar panel still works almost as well as a new one, believe it or not. The silicon cells themselves have a diamond crystalline structure and are tough as nails in compression. If you somehow managed to bend a cell 90 degrees then it would end badly, but that's simply not happening on this road.
•Solar angle. These won't win any awards for most power output of a given surface area of solar panels, but per hectare of land, they're probably just as good as any system. All the sunlight incident on that hectare will hit a solar panel. Given how cheap solar panels are now (<$1/W), and how expensive an urban road is ($2000 a linear foot!), the solar road competes not against a solar rooftop installation (15% efficient) but against a conventional road (0% efficient).
•Economic gotchas. The biggest concern I have with this approach is the balance of system- the miles of copper wire, the mounting hardware, the inverter assemblies, and the places to store and access them outside the weather. Inverters wear out after X years, and so the question is at what point is it just more cost-effective not to replace the inverters? French electricity will probably justify it, but maybe not Pacific Northwest electricity (where cheap hydro keeps it ideal for heavy power users).
•Heat vs. Electricity- Let's face it. We run on electricity to a far greater extent than low-grade heat. Saving a few kWh from cooling and warming a building using stored heat from a roadway is great, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what that space probably uses in electricity. You can swing the temperature in that building by literally thousands of degrees with electricity, whereas a couple dozen is the most you can hope for with heat capture. Electricity can be dispatched thousands of miles away along existing infrastructure, but that waste heat is limited to a few thousand feet at best.
•Wheel Grip/Slippage [edit]. Conventional PV's have a flat surface since that's how glass is most cheaply manufactured. If modules are small enough (apparently these aren't) then a tile/lowered grout approach will still create a rough enough surface to allow for reasonable braking distance. Glass is really hard to create coarse surface roughness in when transparency must be maintained, so I'd be concerned that minimum braking distance would be increased. Icing conditions would be particularly concerning.
- Qwertious 11y agoAw, you're only a paragraph on wheel grip/slipperiness away from covering everything.
- occamrazor 11y agoOn their website (google for wattway, and go to the FAQ) they say that the panels have an expected price of 6 EUR per peak KW, so much more than your 1$ figure.
- lotharbot 11y ago> "Given how cheap solar panels are now (<$1/W), and how expensive an urban road is ($2000 a linear foot!), the solar road competes not against a solar rooftop installation (15% efficient) but against a conventional road (0% efficient)" It competes against conventional road + solar rooftop. I don't think it will ever be price-competitive or efficiency-competitive with doing both things separately.
- mapt 11y ago"have about as much effect on the tempered glass surfaces as your windshield wipers do on your windshield." And this is where you lose me. Either you've never seen a tempered glass surface, or you've never seen a road, or maybe you just have no idea why roads are built of the things they're built of. Asphalt is a pliant surface made of viscous hydrocarbons and filler that slowly stiffens up over a period of years. You can scratch it, you can embed pebbles in it, you can heat up the center twenty degrees warmer than the edges, you can run a metal snowplow over it, you can press furrows in it until some parts of the road surface have 30 degrees of divergence from other parts of the road surface. To some extent it's self-leveling, balancing out physical distortion in one spot with physical distortion in another spot five seconds later. The way you cut glass (at least, without a specialist sawblade) is by scratching it and then applying pressure. The crack propagates and it shatters into two pieces. This doesn't work with tempered glass at all; The surface is under so much tension that it tends to shatter into many pieces instead of two. Roads don't get scratched as exceptional events - it happens many times a day, with tires, steel bits hanging off, but most problematically, with quartz pebbles (harder than glass) embedded in tires. Go look at your tires; Rub your finger along the surface. Now rub your iPhone along that surface. Melting glass and transporting it in whole sheets is energetically very expensive. Installation is extremely difficult. Wear characteristics are not only unworkable, the glass would rapidly become frosted and translucent. If it was economical to make roads out of glass, we would be doing it. It's not even economical to make them out of concrete except in isolated circumstances. Roadway solar panels are a laughably bad idea. Green inventors are condemnable when they waste our very limited enthusiasm for green ideas on obvious technical nonstarters. I've been watching this space for more than a decade and I'm beginning to despair at the ratio of design/architecture student renders to even back-of-the-envelope engineering effort.