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I know for a fact ~7 providers around the same price range have had the exact same problems and were less honest about it. :p Hell, I know some in 2016 that ar

I know for a fact ~7 providers around the same price range have had the exact same problems and were less honest about it. :p Hell, I know some in 2016 that are plain text offenders still. You get what you pay for, and unless you pay about double what Linode charges...you don't get much in the way of added security or protection.

tptacek 11y ago
You should name them.
- fweespeech 11y ago
  I think you can figure out why I can't pretty easily.
- spdustin 11y ago
  Just so I understand: his claim, which doesn't constitute advice of any kind and doesn't ask for any action on the part of the reader, requires substantiation? But your claim, which does have a suggested course of action for the reader, does not require further elucidation? I do know who you are and I do have respect for your contributions, but my friend, it's seems like you're flaunting a sense of superiority when you issue a drive-by decree. It's only made worse when you choose to take the time you could have spent helping the readers whose opinions you're hoping to sway, and piss it away with grammar/spelling corrections and sarcasm. We routinely call out people in other public forums who give blatant non-answers, don't we? I thought your comment was helpful. Until you decided that only those who would take it on faith or on fallible googling would be worthy of your help.
  - ryanlol 11y ago
    >Just so I understand: his claim, which doesn't constitute advice of any kind and doesn't ask for any action on the part of the reader, requires substantiation? But your claim, which does have a suggested course of action for the reader, does not require further elucidation? I'm not sure if tptacek implied the claim requires substantiation, but IMO naming and shaming is just the ethical thing to do when someone is covering up hacks.
    - spdustin 11y ago
      Fair enough. Tptacek named. "Shaming" strongly implies stating the actual flaw. FWIW, I am aware of the past issues Linode has had, and hope they do get their act together.
    - fweespeech 11y ago
      Yes, but not if you found out such from confidential information you agreed to keep confidential. But in all seriousness, I don't know a single provider that sells cheap VPSs [e.g. At Linode's price point] and actually has something resembling security.
      - ryanlol 11y ago
        You keep talking about how Linode is cheap, but when I look on their site their prices are absolutely insane. Am I missing something? >Yes, but not if you found out such from confidential information you agreed to keep confidential. Debatable.
        fweespeech 11y ago
        > You keep talking about how Linode is cheap, but when I look on their site their prices are absolutely insane. Am I missing something? Its roughly the same as DO, etc. Yes, its more expensive than buying a dedicated server. I define anything cheaper than AWS/Google Cloud/Azure/etc. as "cheap". I am assuming you are using a reasonable level of bandwidth [e.g. 100GB+] when making such statements. Really the only places you can find even cheaper VMs is sites like lowendtalk.com and you really don't want to go that cheap if you can avoid it. > Debatable Let me put it this way, "contractually obligated to".

tptacek 11y ago

You should name them.

fweespeech 11y ago
I think you can figure out why I can't pretty easily.
spdustin 11y ago
Just so I understand: his claim, which doesn't constitute advice of any kind and doesn't ask for any action on the part of the reader, requires substantiation? But your claim, which does have a suggested course of action for the reader, does not require further elucidation? I do know who you are and I do have respect for your contributions, but my friend, it's seems like you're flaunting a sense of superiority when you issue a drive-by decree. It's only made worse when you choose to take the time you could have spent helping the readers whose opinions you're hoping to sway, and piss it away with grammar/spelling corrections and sarcasm. We routinely call out people in other public forums who give blatant non-answers, don't we? I thought your comment was helpful. Until you decided that only those who would take it on faith or on fallible googling would be worthy of your help.
- ryanlol 11y ago
  >Just so I understand: his claim, which doesn't constitute advice of any kind and doesn't ask for any action on the part of the reader, requires substantiation? But your claim, which does have a suggested course of action for the reader, does not require further elucidation? I'm not sure if tptacek implied the claim requires substantiation, but IMO naming and shaming is just the ethical thing to do when someone is covering up hacks.
  - spdustin 11y ago
    Fair enough. Tptacek named. "Shaming" strongly implies stating the actual flaw. FWIW, I am aware of the past issues Linode has had, and hope they do get their act together.
  - fweespeech 11y ago
    Yes, but not if you found out such from confidential information you agreed to keep confidential. But in all seriousness, I don't know a single provider that sells cheap VPSs [e.g. At Linode's price point] and actually has something resembling security.
    - ryanlol 11y ago
      You keep talking about how Linode is cheap, but when I look on their site their prices are absolutely insane. Am I missing something? >Yes, but not if you found out such from confidential information you agreed to keep confidential. Debatable.
      - fweespeech 11y ago
        > You keep talking about how Linode is cheap, but when I look on their site their prices are absolutely insane. Am I missing something? Its roughly the same as DO, etc. Yes, its more expensive than buying a dedicated server. I define anything cheaper than AWS/Google Cloud/Azure/etc. as "cheap". I am assuming you are using a reasonable level of bandwidth [e.g. 100GB+] when making such statements. Really the only places you can find even cheaper VMs is sites like lowendtalk.com and you really don't want to go that cheap if you can avoid it. > Debatable Let me put it this way, "contractually obligated to".