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If programmers made twice as much money, it would be such a great job. And yet salaries have been relatively flat for over a decade (adjusted for inflation). S

by staunch 11y ago

If programmers made twice as much money, it would be such a great job. And yet salaries have been relatively flat for over a decade (adjusted for inflation). Something is wrong that salaries never seem to rise with demand in Silicon Valley. We know there was a secret deal to help suppress wages at one point, but it's not obvious why it's been so successful. Is it new graduates, immigration abuse, internationalization, illegal price fixing? A programmers union could probably force tech companies to double salaries. They all could afford to pay it.

pcurve 11y ago
Programmers are generally very well paid in the U.S. The issue is, they hit pay-ceiling very quick, unless they go into management position. And really, who wants to be an IT manager? It's probably the second worst job in IT after IT project manager. chuckles A 30 year old sr. software engineer will be paid not much less than a 40 year old one, even if 40 year old is much more talented, and deserves to get paid twice as much. I suppose the same issue exists for pharmacists. Out of school, you're expected to make $110k; pretty much the same exact salary as RPh with 20 years of experience.
Matachines 11y ago
Most programmers are happy enough to make their current salary and many work for less. Don't think it's gonna increase any time soon.
greggman 11y ago
Money does not make the job and more fun or less boring. I'm not sayin it don't want money I just don't agree that more money would make programming a great job. It might help them tolerate a boring job longer
FLUX-YOU 11y ago
Lower end pay can stay right where it is. Upper end pay could probably go up to better reflect actual skill and specialty knowledge. I really doubt a union would succeed unless you suddenly get a lot of programmers on board very quickly. Tech giants are big and if they chose to fight, they have a ton of cash to do it with.
Apocryphon 11y ago
Silicon Valley presumes to disrupt everything, why not labor laws? And by disrupt, I mean in favor of the worker, and not management.
- YeGoblynQueenne 11y ago
  Comment of the day- thanks :)
ap22213 11y ago
It would be nice if wages were based on supply and demand. But, it's more like wages are equilibrium points in a dynamic system. For example, if cool software engineer goes from $100k to $200k, then his boss, Mgr #1, is going to want like $300k, well, just because she's a boss. And, her director is then going to want $400k because people with power titles should make the most. (Oh, and, by the way, everyone knows that Mgr #1 is probably the best programmer at the company, but she's 40 now, and her salary got too high, and therefore she would have had to move under R&D director PostDoc. But, he only allows PhDs with the title of 'principal' to work for him. So, now she has to be a mediocre manager.)
tomreece 11y ago
I don't want more money. I want to be happy.

by staunch 11y ago

pcurve 11y ago

Programmers are generally very well paid in the U.S. The issue is, they hit pay-ceiling very quick, unless they go into management position. And really, who wants to be an IT manager? It's probably the second worst job in IT after IT project manager. chuckles A 30 year old sr. software engineer will be paid not much less than a 40 year old one, even if 40 year old is much more talented, and deserves to get paid twice as much. I suppose the same issue exists for pharmacists. Out of school, you're expected to make $110k; pretty much the same exact salary as RPh with 20 years of experience.

Matachines 11y ago

Most programmers are happy enough to make their current salary and many work for less. Don't think it's gonna increase any time soon.

greggman 11y ago

Money does not make the job and more fun or less boring. I'm not sayin it don't want money I just don't agree that more money would make programming a great job. It might help them tolerate a boring job longer

FLUX-YOU 11y ago

Lower end pay can stay right where it is. Upper end pay could probably go up to better reflect actual skill and specialty knowledge. I really doubt a union would succeed unless you suddenly get a lot of programmers on board very quickly. Tech giants are big and if they chose to fight, they have a ton of cash to do it with.

Apocryphon 11y ago

Silicon Valley presumes to disrupt everything, why not labor laws? And by disrupt, I mean in favor of the worker, and not management.

YeGoblynQueenne 11y ago
Comment of the day- thanks :)

ap22213 11y ago

It would be nice if wages were based on supply and demand. But, it's more like wages are equilibrium points in a dynamic system. For example, if cool software engineer goes from $100k to $200k, then his boss, Mgr #1, is going to want like $300k, well, just because she's a boss. And, her director is then going to want $400k because people with power titles should make the most. (Oh, and, by the way, everyone knows that Mgr #1 is probably the best programmer at the company, but she's 40 now, and her salary got too high, and therefore she would have had to move under R&D director PostDoc. But, he only allows PhDs with the title of 'principal' to work for him. So, now she has to be a mediocre manager.)

tomreece 11y ago

I don't want more money. I want to be happy.