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Indeed it is. Haven't I accrued debt, worked hard, and earned the right to be in a job I should be happy at? I deserve that. So do you and so does every body el

Indeed it is. Haven't I accrued debt, worked hard, and earned the right to be in a job I should be happy at? I deserve that. So do you and so does every body else.

grillvogel 11y ago
no one deserves anything
- moron4hire 11y ago
  Everyone deserves everything. We live in a society that is capable of creating a post-scarcity economy (and in many cases, such as media and software, has) yet is putting itself through ever more convoluted contortions to make sure poor people don't get to have anything. Eff. That. Noise. Work is not a moral imperative.
  - solipsism 11y ago
    If one of our descendants happens to be born into a society that grants him/her the _entitlement_ to happiness, that person will be very lucky indeed. We haven't been born into such a society, however.
    - Apocryphon 11y ago
      We're on the threshold of one. We should start living and working that way.
      - leshow 11y ago
        no we aren't, happiness is to nebulous to just be 'solved'
  - sly_foxx 11y ago
    'Everyone deserves everything' Does this include bonobo monkeys, sharks, dogs, snails etc. ? 'We live in a society...' No. You(member of homo sapiens species) live on planet Earth with many biological organisms, like bacteria that's on your hands right now. Actually, even that is too specific. You live in 1 galaxy that has 100s of Billions of stars and other clusters of matter in it. That galaxy is just one out of 100s of Billions of galaxies in the whole universe. 'make sure poor people don't get to have anything' What? Why would some homo sapiens automatically deserve something, just because they happen to be born as one? 'Work is not a moral imperative' Do you have a method of determining what a moral imperative is? You know, people at CERN have built complex machines to detect certain particles. So, you're saying that work is not a moral imperative. How did you find that out? There are people who think that it is. How are you going to convince them they are wrong? Who is dictating these moral imperatives? Is it God?
  - krapp 11y ago
    >We live in a society that is capable of creating a post-scarcity economy (and in many cases, such as media and software, has) Media and software are not examples of post-scarcity economy. They require hardware, which requires infrastructure, which runs on the expenditure of fuel and calories, and is built oftentimes with slave labor. The music needs to be composed, the movies need to be filmed, the games need to be designed. Storage media needs to be replaced. Programmers need to be educated generation after generation, and then everything rewritten in new languages when no one cares about the old ones. Factories need to keep building new models and old models keep filling landfills. The digital world is very much tied to scarcity of resources. Every bit flipped contributes to the inevitable heat death of the universe.
jkereako 11y ago
Happiness is not a right. This kind of thinking will perpetuate your misery.
- Apocryphon 11y ago
  It's enshrined in the American Constitution.
  - krapp 11y ago
    The Declaration of Independence declares a natural right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness[0]." Happiness itself is not enshrined as a right, certainly not by the Constitution[1]. [0] http://www.founding.com/the_declaration_of_i/pageID.2423/default.asp http://www.founding.com/the_declaration_of_i/pageID.2423/def... [1] https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-110hdoc50/pdf/CDOC-110hdoc50.pdf https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-110hdoc50/pdf/CDOC-110hdo...
  - leshow 11y ago
    PURSUIT of happiness. try going to the police and saying your right to happiness has been thwarted by the company paying your salary... see how far that gets you

Indeed it is. Haven't I accrued debt, worked hard, and earned the right to be in a job I should be happy at? I deserve that. So do you and so does every body else.

grillvogel 11y ago

no one deserves anything

moron4hire 11y ago
Everyone deserves everything. We live in a society that is capable of creating a post-scarcity economy (and in many cases, such as media and software, has) yet is putting itself through ever more convoluted contortions to make sure poor people don't get to have anything. Eff. That. Noise. Work is not a moral imperative.
- solipsism 11y ago
  If one of our descendants happens to be born into a society that grants him/her the _entitlement_ to happiness, that person will be very lucky indeed. We haven't been born into such a society, however.
  - Apocryphon 11y ago
    We're on the threshold of one. We should start living and working that way.
    - leshow 11y ago
      no we aren't, happiness is to nebulous to just be 'solved'
- sly_foxx 11y ago
  'Everyone deserves everything' Does this include bonobo monkeys, sharks, dogs, snails etc. ? 'We live in a society...' No. You(member of homo sapiens species) live on planet Earth with many biological organisms, like bacteria that's on your hands right now. Actually, even that is too specific. You live in 1 galaxy that has 100s of Billions of stars and other clusters of matter in it. That galaxy is just one out of 100s of Billions of galaxies in the whole universe. 'make sure poor people don't get to have anything' What? Why would some homo sapiens automatically deserve something, just because they happen to be born as one? 'Work is not a moral imperative' Do you have a method of determining what a moral imperative is? You know, people at CERN have built complex machines to detect certain particles. So, you're saying that work is not a moral imperative. How did you find that out? There are people who think that it is. How are you going to convince them they are wrong? Who is dictating these moral imperatives? Is it God?
- krapp 11y ago
  >We live in a society that is capable of creating a post-scarcity economy (and in many cases, such as media and software, has) Media and software are not examples of post-scarcity economy. They require hardware, which requires infrastructure, which runs on the expenditure of fuel and calories, and is built oftentimes with slave labor. The music needs to be composed, the movies need to be filmed, the games need to be designed. Storage media needs to be replaced. Programmers need to be educated generation after generation, and then everything rewritten in new languages when no one cares about the old ones. Factories need to keep building new models and old models keep filling landfills. The digital world is very much tied to scarcity of resources. Every bit flipped contributes to the inevitable heat death of the universe.

jkereako 11y ago

Happiness is not a right. This kind of thinking will perpetuate your misery.

Apocryphon 11y ago
It's enshrined in the American Constitution.
- krapp 11y ago
  The Declaration of Independence declares a natural right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness[0]." Happiness itself is not enshrined as a right, certainly not by the Constitution[1]. [0] http://www.founding.com/the_declaration_of_i/pageID.2423/default.asp http://www.founding.com/the_declaration_of_i/pageID.2423/def... [1] https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-110hdoc50/pdf/CDOC-110hdoc50.pdf https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CDOC-110hdoc50/pdf/CDOC-110hdo...
- leshow 11y ago
  PURSUIT of happiness. try going to the police and saying your right to happiness has been thwarted by the company paying your salary... see how far that gets you