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They didn't do it with gumption, they did it by getting armed by other foreign powers on the other side of the proxy conflict. Without massive support from glob

They didn't do it with gumption, they did it by getting armed by other foreign powers on the other side of the proxy conflict. Without massive support from global or regional powers, the guerrillas wouldn't really have had a chance.

refurb 11y ago
Yes North Vietnam received military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war, but the NLF had access to very little of that weaponry. There are stories from American soldiers where they were confiscating WW2 bolt-action firearms from the NLF right up until the late 1960s. Algeria is another great example where they kicked the French out of Algeria but had very little backing from a major superpower. The point is that simple firearms can inflict a lot of damage on a highly sophisticated army.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Yes North Vietnam received military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war No, North Vietnam received military assistance from China and the Soviet Union not just "later on in the war" -- in fact, that assistance began with direct aid to the Viet Minh in the First Indochina War against france, and continued through uninterrupted (except that, "later in the war" China withdrew both its aid and direct involvement, after its own falling out with the USSR and Hanoi's refusal to break with the USSR and align with China) through -- and beyond -- the end of the war with the US. > but the NLF had access to very little of that weaponry. Which would be relevant if the NLF, on its own, pushed the US out of Vietnam.
  - refurb 11y ago
    I'll rephrase that and say "North Vietnam received substantial military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war". Which would be relevant if the NLF, on its own, pushed the US out of Vietnam. Considering most of the fighting was in the South against NLF units, I'd say they played a big part in pushing the US out of Vietnam. Think about what happened during the Tet Offensive. It wasn't the NVA carry most of the brunt.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > I'll rephrase that and say "North Vietnam received substantial military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war". And you'll still be wrong. The Viet Minh and later North Vietnam received substantial military assistance, both in terms of materiel and direct support, from China from 1950 through 1968, and from the Soviet Union from 1950 through the end of the war. > Considering most of the fighting was in the South against NLF units Most of the fighting prior to Tet was in the South against NLF units; this failed to push the US out. After Tet (which was a major joint NLF / PAVN offensive), the NLF was no longer, as I understand, effective independently, and most fighting in the south was against PAVN or combined PAVN/NLF forces. > Think about what happened during the Tet Offensive. It wasn't the NVA carry most of the brunt. Tet was notable, in part, because it did involve major PAVN involvement, and, in part, because the NLF was rendered largely ineffective as a separate force because of the heavy toll it took in that offensive and the immediate aftermath. It demonstrates rather the opposite of your point.
      - refurb 11y ago
        We'll have to agree to disagree over the definition of substantial! The fact NLF units were using antiquated weapons even until the late 60's would suggest the assistance they were getting wasn't widely available. The fact that the NLF almost disappeared entirely would suggest they did most of the fighting during the Tet offensive. Was the NVA involved? Sure.

refurb 11y ago

Yes North Vietnam received military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war, but the NLF had access to very little of that weaponry. There are stories from American soldiers where they were confiscating WW2 bolt-action firearms from the NLF right up until the late 1960s. Algeria is another great example where they kicked the French out of Algeria but had very little backing from a major superpower. The point is that simple firearms can inflict a lot of damage on a highly sophisticated army.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> Yes North Vietnam received military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war No, North Vietnam received military assistance from China and the Soviet Union not just "later on in the war" -- in fact, that assistance began with direct aid to the Viet Minh in the First Indochina War against france, and continued through uninterrupted (except that, "later in the war" China withdrew both its aid and direct involvement, after its own falling out with the USSR and Hanoi's refusal to break with the USSR and align with China) through -- and beyond -- the end of the war with the US. > but the NLF had access to very little of that weaponry. Which would be relevant if the NLF, on its own, pushed the US out of Vietnam.
- refurb 11y ago
  I'll rephrase that and say "North Vietnam received substantial military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war". Which would be relevant if the NLF, on its own, pushed the US out of Vietnam. Considering most of the fighting was in the South against NLF units, I'd say they played a big part in pushing the US out of Vietnam. Think about what happened during the Tet Offensive. It wasn't the NVA carry most of the brunt.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > I'll rephrase that and say "North Vietnam received substantial military assistance from China and the Soviet Union later on in the war". And you'll still be wrong. The Viet Minh and later North Vietnam received substantial military assistance, both in terms of materiel and direct support, from China from 1950 through 1968, and from the Soviet Union from 1950 through the end of the war. > Considering most of the fighting was in the South against NLF units Most of the fighting prior to Tet was in the South against NLF units; this failed to push the US out. After Tet (which was a major joint NLF / PAVN offensive), the NLF was no longer, as I understand, effective independently, and most fighting in the south was against PAVN or combined PAVN/NLF forces. > Think about what happened during the Tet Offensive. It wasn't the NVA carry most of the brunt. Tet was notable, in part, because it did involve major PAVN involvement, and, in part, because the NLF was rendered largely ineffective as a separate force because of the heavy toll it took in that offensive and the immediate aftermath. It demonstrates rather the opposite of your point.
    - refurb 11y ago
      We'll have to agree to disagree over the definition of substantial! The fact NLF units were using antiquated weapons even until the late 60's would suggest the assistance they were getting wasn't widely available. The fact that the NLF almost disappeared entirely would suggest they did most of the fighting during the Tet offensive. Was the NVA involved? Sure.