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You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself p

by woah 11y ago

You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

fourstar 11y ago
I took a survey of what was lacking on the subreddit at the time and there were plenty of things that were suggested that I thought I could build/provide.
kbenson 11y ago
> And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted? Why not? If he owned the rights to the image, it's use was contingent on his approval, absent any other agreement. The only reason it required a a legal notice is because they locked him out of the account he used that had rights to change it. This is no different than offering to let the office use your ping pong table, then getting fired and having your building access revoked. If the business refused to return the ping pong table, which was in use contingent upon your and the businesses approval, they have essentially stolen your property. Feel free to substitute any other item item (such as fridge, chair, computer hardware or servers...) for the ping pong table in that example.
- JimDabell 11y ago
  > absent any other agreement The user agreement includes perpetual, irrevocable license to reproduce content you submit to Reddit.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    Depending on how that's worded, and how "submit" is defined, that may or may not apply. We're talking about theming a subreddit, not submitting content as part of a regular reddit submission.
  - hellbanner 11y ago
    Does that mean if you link to a website, they own that code?
    - madeofpalk 11y ago
      The link itself (and the title) is the submission, not the site that the link goes to.
mej10 11y ago
> You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? What is wrong with that? As long as your aren't spamming or trying to ruin the experience for others, why the fuck should it matter that you post your site to a subreddit that would be interested? Also, people do this literally all the time in subreddits. Like, ALL the time. Wonder what was different in this case.
- sliverstorm 11y ago
  As far as I know they try to deny self-promotion because it leads to a flood of people posting crappy content because it will make them money, rather than good content because it is good. It's definitely sometimes difficult to enforce & sometimes poorly enforced.
  - lqdc13 11y ago
    There was a case of theoatmeal.com a long time ago. They supported the user submitting content even though it was his own.
    - Consultant32452 11y ago
      The guy who runs the youtube channel Smarter Everyday has his own subreddit and promotes it regularly.
      - RubyPinch 11y ago
        to be fair, both oatmeal and smarter everyday didn't start a community on reddit, wait for it to grow, and then try to divert that community into their own sites (as planned all along)
        Consultant32452 11y ago
        I think one key difference, as far as Reddit is concerned, is that for things like Smarter Everyday the "relationship," if you could call it that, probably drives more of Smarter Everyday's traffic to Reddit than it pulls from Reddit over to Youtube. People go to Reddit to talk about SED videos and suggest content and ideas because it's a better communication platform than Youtube provides. This is, of course, totally in line with what you're saying.

by woah 11y ago

You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

fourstar 11y ago

I took a survey of what was lacking on the subreddit at the time and there were plenty of things that were suggested that I thought I could build/provide.

kbenson 11y ago

> And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted? Why not? If he owned the rights to the image, it's use was contingent on his approval, absent any other agreement. The only reason it required a a legal notice is because they locked him out of the account he used that had rights to change it. This is no different than offering to let the office use your ping pong table, then getting fired and having your building access revoked. If the business refused to return the ping pong table, which was in use contingent upon your and the businesses approval, they have essentially stolen your property. Feel free to substitute any other item item (such as fridge, chair, computer hardware or servers...) for the ping pong table in that example.

JimDabell 11y ago
> absent any other agreement The user agreement includes perpetual, irrevocable license to reproduce content you submit to Reddit.
- kbenson 11y ago
  Depending on how that's worded, and how "submit" is defined, that may or may not apply. We're talking about theming a subreddit, not submitting content as part of a regular reddit submission.
- hellbanner 11y ago
  Does that mean if you link to a website, they own that code?
  - madeofpalk 11y ago
    The link itself (and the title) is the submission, not the site that the link goes to.

mej10 11y ago

> You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? What is wrong with that? As long as your aren't spamming or trying to ruin the experience for others, why the fuck should it matter that you post your site to a subreddit that would be interested? Also, people do this literally all the time in subreddits. Like, ALL the time. Wonder what was different in this case.

sliverstorm 11y ago
As far as I know they try to deny self-promotion because it leads to a flood of people posting crappy content because it will make them money, rather than good content because it is good. It's definitely sometimes difficult to enforce & sometimes poorly enforced.
- lqdc13 11y ago
  There was a case of theoatmeal.com a long time ago. They supported the user submitting content even though it was his own.
  - Consultant32452 11y ago
    The guy who runs the youtube channel Smarter Everyday has his own subreddit and promotes it regularly.
    - RubyPinch 11y ago
      to be fair, both oatmeal and smarter everyday didn't start a community on reddit, wait for it to grow, and then try to divert that community into their own sites (as planned all along)
      - Consultant32452 11y ago
        I think one key difference, as far as Reddit is concerned, is that for things like Smarter Everyday the "relationship," if you could call it that, probably drives more of Smarter Everyday's traffic to Reddit than it pulls from Reddit over to Youtube. People go to Reddit to talk about SED videos and suggest content and ideas because it's a better communication platform than Youtube provides. This is, of course, totally in line with what you're saying.