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> Transit agreements for CDNs and asymmetric peering arrangements have been commonplace since the mid-90s. Neither CDNs nor peering have anything to do with ne

> Transit agreements for CDNs and asymmetric peering arrangements have been commonplace since the mid-90s. Neither CDNs nor peering have anything to do with net neutrality. What point are you trying to make? It's entirely another matter that some ISPs use their market power to be rent seekers, but that's an entirely different issue and not directly related to net neutrality. > Residential broadband uses a lot of traffic management tricks to deliver high-performance last-mile access I sure would like to hear about them tricks. Statistical multiplexing and oversubscription aren't exactly novel concepts. Or did you have something else in mind? > At least T-Mobile is being transparent here: they're using a network management trick to allow them to offer unlimited data to their customers at a lower cost. It's not a network management trick, it's just a novel marketing trick to blow smoke up their customers' arse. If T-Mobile can deliver unlimited data for video streaming then they can deliver unlimited data for all content types.

exelius 11y ago
> Statistical multiplexing and oversubscription aren't exactly novel concepts. Or did you have something else in mind? They're not novel concepts, but they're hard to pull off at scale. There's no technological "magic pill" here - it's just a lot of continuous improvement on infrastructure. Oversubscription makes it possible to have a 150 mbps connection for under $300/mo. Oversubscription also makes some assumptions in order to make the statistical multiplexing work, and one of those assumptions is a certain level of concurrency and bandwidth usage. Also, keep in mind that one of the ISPs most effective bandwidth management tricks is psychological: if they make you think that data is a limited resource, people will treat it like one and use less of it. Even if they don't end up charging you, the mere rumor that your ISP might charge you more if you go over is enough to get people to at least consider the amount of data they use. > If T-Mobile can deliver unlimited data for video streaming then they can deliver unlimited data for all content types. Because other content types aren't the problem: video is. Video is 70-80% of consumer Internet traffic (sorry, no source that I can share). T-Mobile can only offer unlimited video because they are taking something that accounts for 3/4 of their last-mile traffic and slashing the bitrate by 50%. They're not saying what video you can or can't watch, nor are they changing the content of the videos. And video is only problematic because it needs to sit in multiple "buckets" at once. Generally network traffic is optimized for high throughput or low latency, but video needs a bit of both.
- amazon_not 11y ago
  > They're not novel concepts, but they're hard to pull off at scale. Citation needed. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proofs. In fact statistical multiplexing and oversubscription are easier to do the more scale you have. The problems occur at the lower end of the spectrum.

exelius 11y ago

> Statistical multiplexing and oversubscription aren't exactly novel concepts. Or did you have something else in mind? They're not novel concepts, but they're hard to pull off at scale. There's no technological "magic pill" here - it's just a lot of continuous improvement on infrastructure. Oversubscription makes it possible to have a 150 mbps connection for under $300/mo. Oversubscription also makes some assumptions in order to make the statistical multiplexing work, and one of those assumptions is a certain level of concurrency and bandwidth usage. Also, keep in mind that one of the ISPs most effective bandwidth management tricks is psychological: if they make you think that data is a limited resource, people will treat it like one and use less of it. Even if they don't end up charging you, the mere rumor that your ISP might charge you more if you go over is enough to get people to at least consider the amount of data they use. > If T-Mobile can deliver unlimited data for video streaming then they can deliver unlimited data for all content types. Because other content types aren't the problem: video is. Video is 70-80% of consumer Internet traffic (sorry, no source that I can share). T-Mobile can only offer unlimited video because they are taking something that accounts for 3/4 of their last-mile traffic and slashing the bitrate by 50%. They're not saying what video you can or can't watch, nor are they changing the content of the videos. And video is only problematic because it needs to sit in multiple "buckets" at once. Generally network traffic is optimized for high throughput or low latency, but video needs a bit of both.

amazon_not 11y ago
> They're not novel concepts, but they're hard to pull off at scale. Citation needed. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proofs. In fact statistical multiplexing and oversubscription are easier to do the more scale you have. The problems occur at the lower end of the spectrum.