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I really liked the point made about how Carreyrou being an NYC-based investigative journalist (with a focus on healthcare, not tech) who is largely disconnected

I really liked the point made about how Carreyrou being an NYC-based investigative journalist (with a focus on healthcare, not tech) who is largely disconnected from SV has enabled him to approach this story in a way that SV tech journalists would be afraid to, because it could jeopardize their careers. Carreyrou was part of a WSJ/NYT team that received a Pulitzer last year[0] for a series of pieces on Medicare billing[1]. That's one of the reasons why I'm surprised some prominent Valley personalities didn't take his articles more seriously from the beginning[2,3] - he's not some two-bit tech blogger with an axe to grind. There's a world of difference between investigative journalists, like Carreyrou or Bob Woodward, and tech bloggers like Michael Arrington or Sarah Lacy. 0: http://www.poynter.org/2015/for-the-wall-street-journal-a-pulitzer-long-in-the-making/337879/ http://www.poynter.org/2015/for-the-wall-street-journal-a-pu... 1: http://graphics.wsj.com/medicare-billing/ http://graphics.wsj.com/medicare-billing/ 2: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-19/early-theranos-investor-remains-supportive-even-without-answers-ifydlf03 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-19/early-ther... 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzI763-NPug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzI763-NPug

toyg 11y ago
Bob Woodward is not an investigative journalist these days. He's long morphed into a vanilla establishment insider. Why would you bring him up, of all people?
- morcheeba 11y ago
  >Why would you bring him up, of all people? That's really rude. You know why he brought him up - he's one of the most famous investigative journalists. I'm sorry you're offended and that you don't consider his current work to be investigative enough.
  - ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
    But he really isn't. Woodward isn't remotely near the outsider status he had in the 1970s. Its hardly "rude" by any standard.
  - toyg 11y ago
    I stand by my comment. I'm sorry if it sounds rude, but Woodward really is not an investigative journalist today and has not been for more than a decade (to be generous). It is an insult to the profession to put him in that category, and I'd argue that most investigative journalists today look at him as the person not to become. Hence my surprise. He could have named Bernstein, or Hersh, or a thousand others who did not become vanilla political insiders as soon as they could. It's like saying "great kernel hackers like Bill Gates", when he has not written a line of code in 20 years. I would find that association really curious, wouldn't you?
jonas21 11y ago
> There's a world of difference between investigative journalists, like Carreyrou or Bob Woodward, and tech bloggers like Michael Arrington or Sarah Lacy. Or, for that matter, Jason Calacanis. It was really uncomfortable watching parts of the video where Jason would go off on speculative tangents and John Carreyrou would have to bring things back to statements supported by facts.
- CPLX 11y ago
  Jason's a personality and pundit, that's sort of his job, much like objective and sourced facts is Carreyrou's job.

toyg 11y ago

Bob Woodward is not an investigative journalist these days. He's long morphed into a vanilla establishment insider. Why would you bring him up, of all people?

morcheeba 11y ago
>Why would you bring him up, of all people? That's really rude. You know why he brought him up - he's one of the most famous investigative journalists. I'm sorry you're offended and that you don't consider his current work to be investigative enough.
- ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
  But he really isn't. Woodward isn't remotely near the outsider status he had in the 1970s. Its hardly "rude" by any standard.
- toyg 11y ago
  I stand by my comment. I'm sorry if it sounds rude, but Woodward really is not an investigative journalist today and has not been for more than a decade (to be generous). It is an insult to the profession to put him in that category, and I'd argue that most investigative journalists today look at him as the person not to become. Hence my surprise. He could have named Bernstein, or Hersh, or a thousand others who did not become vanilla political insiders as soon as they could. It's like saying "great kernel hackers like Bill Gates", when he has not written a line of code in 20 years. I would find that association really curious, wouldn't you?

jonas21 11y ago

> There's a world of difference between investigative journalists, like Carreyrou or Bob Woodward, and tech bloggers like Michael Arrington or Sarah Lacy. Or, for that matter, Jason Calacanis. It was really uncomfortable watching parts of the video where Jason would go off on speculative tangents and John Carreyrou would have to bring things back to statements supported by facts.

CPLX 11y ago
Jason's a personality and pundit, that's sort of his job, much like objective and sourced facts is Carreyrou's job.