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What about the people who have already lived there, who aren't on engineering salaries and work service positions? I think it's fun to be flippant, but there s

by bduerst 11y ago

What about the people who have already lived there, who aren't on engineering salaries and work service positions? I think it's fun to be flippant, but there still certain demographics that are being displaced and negatively impacted by the bubble.

yarou 11y ago
Of course, but their skin tone is a few shades darker, so nobody talks or cares about them. People would rather argue in ivory towers about abstract problems that don't exist in the real world (sexism in video games, Internet feminism, etc), rather than work on unpleasant and unsexy problems that can easily be solved.
- the_af 11y ago
  > sexism in video games, Internet feminism, etc What's abstract or unreal about them? What's "Internet" feminism, for that matter? I'd say sexism in videogames is real... and the level of aggression in online discussions about that topic is almost asphyxiating, enough that I consider it a serious problem. Would you similarly argue that it's "unreal" to argue about sexism (or racism, or whatever -ism) in movies? It's a shame you said this, because I'm in agreement with the rest of your post.
  - yarou 11y ago
    I'm on a completely different planet than you, and lately I've realized I'm completely different from the vast majority of commenters here. I could explain it to you, but it would be an experience akin to a blind man seeing for the first time. Experience is the mother of all teachers, and while I wouldn't wish my path on anybody else, it certainly has given me clarity on certain topics of discourse. "Sexism in video games" is an abstract problem because it's basically mental masturbation. Suppose you are right, and there is a problem. What is the net benefit to society? Some privileged child somewhere will feel good about themselves for a brief moment, until they find another abstract issue that ultimately is meaningless. There are much more pressing problems in our world today, that are ugly, unsightly, and less "rewarding" in the short term dopamine releasing sense. Like income inequality, the increasing erosion of civil liberities, and single moms. An Ask HN with thousands of replies so you we can collectively pat ourselves on the back doesn't count as solving anything. If anything, it just shows how far we've fallen.
smokeyj 11y ago
Coming from a family of immigrants that had to move around to find work, it's interesting to hear about people's sense of entitlement to a certain lifestyle. Especially the expensive beachside living lifestyle. Am I wrong for not feeling sorry for them? Disclosure. I tried living in SF. The cost of living was too high. I left. Problem solved. Ta da, no bitching required
- bduerst 11y ago
  I guess I don't get your argument. Not being displaced by an economic bubble is a now a sense of entitlement? Based on your experience you described, you weren't displaced.
  - smokeyj 11y ago
    If you feel entitled to not be displaced - then yes, that's a sense of entitlement. I was amazed by the people who felt entitled to a lower cost of living - all while blaming IT workers for gentrifying their beautiful oasis. I would have thought they lived in SF their whole life to feel that level of angst. More like a couple years. Intermittently. While their parents pay for their art degree.
    - bduerst 11y ago
      That's very tautological of you, but I'm guessing English isn't your first language. A sense of entitlement is an English idiom for "having too high of expectations", and typically associated with narcissism. Expecting to not be displaced from your home after 20 years is not a sense of entitlement or narcissistic.
restalis 11y ago
"What about the people who have already lived there, who aren't on engineering salaries and work service positions?" I'm trying to look at it in more brighter light, so I'll say that they can sell high their place (which is wonderful thing from a market player's prospective), then offer themselves as a gift to enrich some other lucky place (which is good for many under multiple reasons). It's a win-win!
- tizzdogg 11y ago
  "they can sell high their place" It must be nice to live in a world where even the service workers own property.

by bduerst 11y ago

yarou 11y ago

Of course, but their skin tone is a few shades darker, so nobody talks or cares about them. People would rather argue in ivory towers about abstract problems that don't exist in the real world (sexism in video games, Internet feminism, etc), rather than work on unpleasant and unsexy problems that can easily be solved.

the_af 11y ago
> sexism in video games, Internet feminism, etc What's abstract or unreal about them? What's "Internet" feminism, for that matter? I'd say sexism in videogames is real... and the level of aggression in online discussions about that topic is almost asphyxiating, enough that I consider it a serious problem. Would you similarly argue that it's "unreal" to argue about sexism (or racism, or whatever -ism) in movies? It's a shame you said this, because I'm in agreement with the rest of your post.
- yarou 11y ago
  I'm on a completely different planet than you, and lately I've realized I'm completely different from the vast majority of commenters here. I could explain it to you, but it would be an experience akin to a blind man seeing for the first time. Experience is the mother of all teachers, and while I wouldn't wish my path on anybody else, it certainly has given me clarity on certain topics of discourse. "Sexism in video games" is an abstract problem because it's basically mental masturbation. Suppose you are right, and there is a problem. What is the net benefit to society? Some privileged child somewhere will feel good about themselves for a brief moment, until they find another abstract issue that ultimately is meaningless. There are much more pressing problems in our world today, that are ugly, unsightly, and less "rewarding" in the short term dopamine releasing sense. Like income inequality, the increasing erosion of civil liberities, and single moms. An Ask HN with thousands of replies so you we can collectively pat ourselves on the back doesn't count as solving anything. If anything, it just shows how far we've fallen.

smokeyj 11y ago

Coming from a family of immigrants that had to move around to find work, it's interesting to hear about people's sense of entitlement to a certain lifestyle. Especially the expensive beachside living lifestyle. Am I wrong for not feeling sorry for them? Disclosure. I tried living in SF. The cost of living was too high. I left. Problem solved. Ta da, no bitching required

bduerst 11y ago
I guess I don't get your argument. Not being displaced by an economic bubble is a now a sense of entitlement? Based on your experience you described, you weren't displaced.
- smokeyj 11y ago
  If you feel entitled to not be displaced - then yes, that's a sense of entitlement. I was amazed by the people who felt entitled to a lower cost of living - all while blaming IT workers for gentrifying their beautiful oasis. I would have thought they lived in SF their whole life to feel that level of angst. More like a couple years. Intermittently. While their parents pay for their art degree.
  - bduerst 11y ago
    That's very tautological of you, but I'm guessing English isn't your first language. A sense of entitlement is an English idiom for "having too high of expectations", and typically associated with narcissism. Expecting to not be displaced from your home after 20 years is not a sense of entitlement or narcissistic.

restalis 11y ago

"What about the people who have already lived there, who aren't on engineering salaries and work service positions?" I'm trying to look at it in more brighter light, so I'll say that they can sell high their place (which is wonderful thing from a market player's prospective), then offer themselves as a gift to enrich some other lucky place (which is good for many under multiple reasons). It's a win-win!

tizzdogg 11y ago
"they can sell high their place" It must be nice to live in a world where even the service workers own property.