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Also notable is the use of the words "Windows Phone" specifically, a title Microsoft has stopped using. They call the Windows 10 OS for phones just "Windows 10

by bhauer 11y ago

Also notable is the use of the words "Windows Phone" specifically, a title Microsoft has stopped using. They call the Windows 10 OS for phones just "Windows 10," or in some cases "Windows 10 Mobile." The article acknowledges that as well. The headline could have been "Windows Phone is dead; Long live Windows 10 Mobile." But of course the obvious truth of the matter is that Windows 10 is struggling on phones as well. It seemed to be a half-baked weakly-tested operating system when the 950 arrived, and seems to be evolving and fixing problems quite slowly since. As a 950 user and a fan of the operating system in general, I hope the Surface Phone (or whatever it ends up being—the full Windows 10 computer I can fit in my pocket) ends up being quite good. More importantly, I hope the OS team steps up their game and invests seriously in quality control. Today, the 950 is a decent device, but it's not something that is going to ever win converts to the platform outside of the rare person who thinks Continuum is the coolest thing in town.

tdkl 11y ago
> More importantly, I hope This is the most sad part of the Windows Phone, the consumers constantly hoping for better times to arrive. Spoiler alert : if they didn't manage to do it in the last 5 years ...
- bhauer 11y ago
  Actually, they did. Manage to make me happy, that is. I was very satisfied with Windows Phone 8 and 8.1 on my 920 and I've only had my 950 for a couple months. Significantly, I've looked at iOS and Android devices during the same time and saw no appeal. Android seems about the same as it was when I stopped using it, even though it's been through several major updates. So yes, I do hope they improve Windows 10 mobile, and dramatically so. But I've only had this particular device for a couple months. For me personally, this is the first time I feel partly disappointed with a Windows phone. So I feel it is reasonable to be cautiously optimistic that they can improve matters and restore my happiness with the platform.
UnoriginalGuy 11y ago
EVERYONE calls the platform "Windows Phone" even people who work at Microsoft. Your correction is like saying "don't call it iOS, call it iOS 9.3.1!!!" or "It isn't Android anymore, it is Lollipop!" Sure, the latest incarnation is Windows 10 mobile, but realistically it is going to be called Windows Phone as an ecosystem because versions come and go, a platform name is forever. Microsoft MIGHT be able to convince people to call it "Windows Mobile" (instead of "Windows Phone") but they have a lot of marketing to do.
- nirvdrum 11y ago
  To be fair, everyone had to stop calling it "iPhone OS" when Apple rebranded it as "iOS."
  - wvenable 11y ago
    To be fair, iOS rolls off the tongue a lot better than whatever multi-word monstrosity Microsoft is calling their products this week.
WorldMaker 11y ago
From my perspective, a lot of the "quality control" issues with Windows 10 on the phone remind me of some of the early issues with the first Windows 10 release on the desktop and how a lot of them got smoothed over by the first big update ("Threshold 2"). I definitely expect the next big update ("Redstone", a codename I find exciting) should deliver a similar impact to mobile. The benefit to the new continuous delivery approach that Microsoft is trying with Windows 10 is that we see results faster, but of course the detriment that goes hand in hand with that is that we also see flaws faster/more often.

by bhauer 11y ago

tdkl 11y ago

> More importantly, I hope This is the most sad part of the Windows Phone, the consumers constantly hoping for better times to arrive. Spoiler alert : if they didn't manage to do it in the last 5 years ...

bhauer 11y ago
Actually, they did. Manage to make me happy, that is. I was very satisfied with Windows Phone 8 and 8.1 on my 920 and I've only had my 950 for a couple months. Significantly, I've looked at iOS and Android devices during the same time and saw no appeal. Android seems about the same as it was when I stopped using it, even though it's been through several major updates. So yes, I do hope they improve Windows 10 mobile, and dramatically so. But I've only had this particular device for a couple months. For me personally, this is the first time I feel partly disappointed with a Windows phone. So I feel it is reasonable to be cautiously optimistic that they can improve matters and restore my happiness with the platform.

UnoriginalGuy 11y ago

EVERYONE calls the platform "Windows Phone" even people who work at Microsoft. Your correction is like saying "don't call it iOS, call it iOS 9.3.1!!!" or "It isn't Android anymore, it is Lollipop!" Sure, the latest incarnation is Windows 10 mobile, but realistically it is going to be called Windows Phone as an ecosystem because versions come and go, a platform name is forever. Microsoft MIGHT be able to convince people to call it "Windows Mobile" (instead of "Windows Phone") but they have a lot of marketing to do.

nirvdrum 11y ago
To be fair, everyone had to stop calling it "iPhone OS" when Apple rebranded it as "iOS."
- wvenable 11y ago
  To be fair, iOS rolls off the tongue a lot better than whatever multi-word monstrosity Microsoft is calling their products this week.

WorldMaker 11y ago

From my perspective, a lot of the "quality control" issues with Windows 10 on the phone remind me of some of the early issues with the first Windows 10 release on the desktop and how a lot of them got smoothed over by the first big update ("Threshold 2"). I definitely expect the next big update ("Redstone", a codename I find exciting) should deliver a similar impact to mobile. The benefit to the new continuous delivery approach that Microsoft is trying with Windows 10 is that we see results faster, but of course the detriment that goes hand in hand with that is that we also see flaws faster/more often.