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At this point, Parse is open source, too. Why an open source clone if you can have the original?

by 56k 11y ago

nazgob 11y ago
You still have to host and manage it.
- 0k1n 11y ago
  We have a one click deploy to heroku button http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/get-started.html#deploy-an-instance-on-heroku http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/get-started.html#depl... It's not entirely satisfying, but that just proves we could integrate with many hosting platforms.
  - waprin 11y ago
    I just created a PR to deploy Kinto on Google App Engine (Managed VMs). https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/python-docs-samples/pull/161/files https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/python-docs-samples/p... If there's interest I'll try to flesh it out more.
aikah 11y ago
This is not a feature complete replacement AFAIK. No push , no cloud code , no webhooks , no admin panel , no analytics though I'm sure people will contribute to the project and add some of these features. EDIT: Hi folks, I was obviously talking about Parse, not Kinto. Kinto seems to have more features than Parse Server for now ! Looks like an awesome replacement.
- ametaireau 11y ago
  There is actually an admin console (http://kinto.github.io/kinto-admin/ http://kinto.github.io/kinto-admin/) and webhooks are currently in the pipe (https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush)
- 0k1n 11y ago
  There's an admin panel https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-admin https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-admin Push: https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush and https://github.com/leplatrem/cliquet-pusher https://github.com/leplatrem/cliquet-pusher What do you mean by "cloud code"? Anyway yeah, we're expecting help from the community to bring what's missing :)
  - porsager 11y ago
    I think the parent was talking about the open sourced parse code not being feature complete.
- jamesjyu 11y ago
  You are correct that there is no push currently (we are exploring some ways to make it possible) and no admin panel (we are also exploring a lite admin panel), and no analytics (you should just use something like Mixpanel). For cloud code, it's not true that parse-server doesn't support it - you can write cloud code directly in the node server. For a full rundown on what's compatible, check out the migration guide: https://parse.com/docs/server/guide#migrating https://parse.com/docs/server/guide#migrating The core functionality is there, and I highly recommend trying out the official Parse open source solution first, as it will be the easiest for most apps that want to migrate.
ape4 11y ago
The quality of the code is a factor. Parsed wasn't originally intended to be open source.
j_s 11y ago
My understanding was that Parse (the company) has open-sourced an API-compatible re-implementation of their product as an act of kindness towards everyone currently using their system. I may be way off base here, but there is no indication that this open source release from Parse is in any way a derivative of their commercial product... at this point whichever reimplementation of the Parse API gains the most developer mind share will survive as the winner. (Of course, Parse the company has a lot of inertia behind their own.)
- jasonlotito 11y ago
  It's API compatible, but even then not all API endpoints work. It's NOT their commercial product.
nodamage 11y ago
An open source project needs active developers and maintainers in order to stay healthy and grow. Parse is now open source in the sense of "here's a bunch of code we're throwing over the wall on our way out". Presumably (after the 1-year deadline) it's not going to be maintained or further developed by the original Parse team, who are now working for Facebook and will likely be reassigned to other roles. Who is going to maintain the Parse source after that? A bunch of people that were using Parse specifically because they did not want to write their own backends to begin with?
- ygjb-dupe 11y ago
  Yes open source projects do, and Kinto is currently a well supported project at Mozilla. The folks who made Kinto are awesome, and do awesome things at Mozilla, but my personal experience from working at Mozilla is that Mozilla is an awesome steward of open source projects for users. The devtools team is doing a much better job of becoming stewards of tools for developers, but Mozilla has traditionally been less than ideal steward of projects for use by third parties.
- tbrock 11y ago
  The value of Parse is entirely in the client SDKs that would take forever to build and not in the server (which is a simple rest API over MongoDB).
  - nodamage 11y ago
    It sounds like some of the more valuable aspects of the server (push notifications, dashboard, analytics) weren't open sourced. But the same caveats apply to the client side code.

At this point, Parse is open source, too. Why an open source clone if you can have the original?

by 56k 11y ago

At this point, Parse is open source, too. Why an open source clone if you can have the original?

nazgob 11y ago

You still have to host and manage it.

0k1n 11y ago
We have a one click deploy to heroku button http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/get-started.html#deploy-an-instance-on-heroku http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/get-started.html#depl... It's not entirely satisfying, but that just proves we could integrate with many hosting platforms.
- waprin 11y ago
  I just created a PR to deploy Kinto on Google App Engine (Managed VMs). https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/python-docs-samples/pull/161/files https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/python-docs-samples/p... If there's interest I'll try to flesh it out more.

aikah 11y ago

This is not a feature complete replacement AFAIK. No push , no cloud code , no webhooks , no admin panel , no analytics though I'm sure people will contribute to the project and add some of these features. EDIT: Hi folks, I was obviously talking about Parse, not Kinto. Kinto seems to have more features than Parse Server for now ! Looks like an awesome replacement.

ametaireau 11y ago
There is actually an admin console (http://kinto.github.io/kinto-admin/ http://kinto.github.io/kinto-admin/) and webhooks are currently in the pipe (https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush)
0k1n 11y ago
There's an admin panel https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-admin https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-admin Push: https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush https://github.com/Kinto/kinto-webpush and https://github.com/leplatrem/cliquet-pusher https://github.com/leplatrem/cliquet-pusher What do you mean by "cloud code"? Anyway yeah, we're expecting help from the community to bring what's missing :)
- porsager 11y ago
  I think the parent was talking about the open sourced parse code not being feature complete.
jamesjyu 11y ago
You are correct that there is no push currently (we are exploring some ways to make it possible) and no admin panel (we are also exploring a lite admin panel), and no analytics (you should just use something like Mixpanel). For cloud code, it's not true that parse-server doesn't support it - you can write cloud code directly in the node server. For a full rundown on what's compatible, check out the migration guide: https://parse.com/docs/server/guide#migrating https://parse.com/docs/server/guide#migrating The core functionality is there, and I highly recommend trying out the official Parse open source solution first, as it will be the easiest for most apps that want to migrate.

ape4 11y ago

The quality of the code is a factor. Parsed wasn't originally intended to be open source.

j_s 11y ago

My understanding was that Parse (the company) has open-sourced an API-compatible re-implementation of their product as an act of kindness towards everyone currently using their system. I may be way off base here, but there is no indication that this open source release from Parse is in any way a derivative of their commercial product... at this point whichever reimplementation of the Parse API gains the most developer mind share will survive as the winner. (Of course, Parse the company has a lot of inertia behind their own.)

jasonlotito 11y ago
It's API compatible, but even then not all API endpoints work. It's NOT their commercial product.

nodamage 11y ago

An open source project needs active developers and maintainers in order to stay healthy and grow. Parse is now open source in the sense of "here's a bunch of code we're throwing over the wall on our way out". Presumably (after the 1-year deadline) it's not going to be maintained or further developed by the original Parse team, who are now working for Facebook and will likely be reassigned to other roles. Who is going to maintain the Parse source after that? A bunch of people that were using Parse specifically because they did not want to write their own backends to begin with?

ygjb-dupe 11y ago
Yes open source projects do, and Kinto is currently a well supported project at Mozilla. The folks who made Kinto are awesome, and do awesome things at Mozilla, but my personal experience from working at Mozilla is that Mozilla is an awesome steward of open source projects for users. The devtools team is doing a much better job of becoming stewards of tools for developers, but Mozilla has traditionally been less than ideal steward of projects for use by third parties.
tbrock 11y ago
The value of Parse is entirely in the client SDKs that would take forever to build and not in the server (which is a simple rest API over MongoDB).
- nodamage 11y ago
  It sounds like some of the more valuable aspects of the server (push notifications, dashboard, analytics) weren't open sourced. But the same caveats apply to the client side code.