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- Kiro 11y agoNot at all. Did you even look at the examples?
- ronreiter 11y agoIs this done with the deep learning research that was published here a couple of months ago?
- nness 11y agoI was just thinking that. Seems it might be based on the description. Kinda interested how they'd do it in a speedy way on mobile devices. Hope they didn't just knock-off the open-source code though.
- Rotten194 11y agothe description sounds like they're running a server farm, not doing the processing on the phone.
- Geee 11y agoFrom the website: "This is incredibly computationally intensive, and even on a cloud of the fastest computers, it takes a few minutes to process each image." I'm pretty sure they're using the open-source code that was published.
- kidzik 11y ago"Stiefvater [...] described it to me as 'black magic,' and doesn’t even fully understand how it works. He downloaded it from Github, where a computer programmer he’s never met posted it." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2015/09/14/heres-what-it-would-look-like-if-picasso-had-painted-the-presidential-portraits/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2015/09/1...
- qarl 11y agoYes. That was back in September. Before Pikazo or Deepart even existed. Let's refrain from making nasty implications about each other, shall we? Thank you.
- kidzik 11y agoNo nasty implications sounds fair to me. Good luck!
- qarl 11y agoOk good. Would you also mind retracting your claim below that we have "misappropriated" your technology? Perhaps we're having a language problem - "misappropriate" is a crime in English. If you honestly believe a crime has been committed, I would strongly urge you to discuss it with us (somewhere other than this public forum). We've tried a few times now to reach out to your team, and have not heard back. Thank you. K.
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- kidzik 11y agoI am sorry, I didn't mean any legal accusation - it just feels a little odd that the description of the app sounds as if you invented the technology without ever referring to the original work.
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- ins0 11y agofor all who don't know about the submission months ago. http://www.deepart.io/ http://www.deepart.io/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10511572
- kidzik 11y agoAnd now at http://deepart.io/ http://deepart.io/ we have hi-resolution and the authors of the algorithm on-board. Thanks for mentioning us :)
- Sujan 11y agoYou should add an explanation for the waiting time, queue thing. This was unexpected and also not really clear. First thought I could only get it by paying...
- kidzik 11y agoGood point, thanks! We actually had one, but we removed it in the current version (it seemed natural for us but it obviously is not) - we will bring it back. We simply have limited resources for servers, but still want to provide the highest quality possible in the free version. That's why there is a queue, but we are working hard to make the implementation faster and more efficient :)
- Sujan 11y agoGreat. The success message (when there will be one - there should be one instead of only the submissions queue) should definitely include an explanation, what happens next and how I can influence it. Will I get an email when my pictures are ready? Can I schedule more pictures? I think you will have more success showing the # of people in the queue and a "jump the queue" feature. Is there a way to build a "I want it NOW, even if it isn't that great... (and get the great version later via email)". The public/private thing could also use some explanation "Show this on the website" vs. "Only give the result to me". "Delete" would probably better be named "remove" as you remove the submission from the queue, and don't really delete anything that was already created. Also, "Submit a new image" could let me choose some style images... but I bet that's already on your backlog anyway. Nice idea, nice tool!
- GraffitiTim 11y agoI wonder if this could be the beginning of many artists being replaced by AI.
- p4bl0 11y agoI would say in that case that the art is the AI itself (or its code), because it is what efforts and research have been put into. And thus the artist would still be human: (s)/he is the one who created the AI.
- viraptor 11y agoI don't think so, but I think it's definitely getting us closer to the first artist who really isn't - creates art deep AI way and paints a copy of it.
- binarymax 11y agoDepends on your definition of 'artist'. This doesn't create any original work, it just remixes a photo into a style. When the subject matter is more than a source image and the output more than a digital visualisation through an algorithm, then the answer is 'no'.
- tluyben2 11y agoI don't think it is possible to replace an artist. The definition of artist, that I could find, is recursive so that's the first problem with that. Then the appreciation is subjective; to replace an artist you would need something like; 'I like Rembrandt but now I like this guy instead'. I used to like Jean Michel Jarre then Beethoven then Iron Maiden then Slayer then ... etc. I still like all of these and can get excited when hearing any of them. No one of them replaced the other. So we might have MORE artists. Once we accept that computers can make art 'without' humans. I am fine with that, but this example is definitely not a very good example. To me it looks like fancy filters.
- gravity13 11y ago> The definition of artist, that I could find, is recursive so that's the first problem with that. Huh?
- thristian 11y agoCreated by the image scientist behind landmark visuals seen in Myst, The Matrix, 300, and Second Life... I wonder who it is. The press-kit linked on the website just says "Developer: qarl".
- viraptor 11y agoSeems easily googlable: http://www.qarl.com/menu/info/ http://www.qarl.com/menu/info/
- tobr 11y agoKarl Stiefvater is a graphics programmer who's been involved in, among other things, Riven (Myst's sequel) and The Matrix. He's been playing with the neural algorithm of artistic style on his blog recently (e.g. [0]). In 2015 he also started a YouTube series, "The Joy of Programming"[1], although as far as I can tell only two episodes have been released. [0]: http://www.qarl.com/qLab/?p=144 http://www.qarl.com/qLab/?p=144 [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRL9J6DoCgs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRL9J6DoCgs
- Kiro 11y agoSo I guess I'm not alone wanting to do an app like this after seeing deepart.io. Kudos to Pikazo for getting it out there. I'm sure it will be a huge hit.
- krasin 11y agoThere's also https://dreamscopeapp.com/ https://dreamscopeapp.com/ which is on App Store for at least 3 months (may be more, I am not sure)
- franze 11y agoTwo examples: https://goo.gl/photos/9Ujw2Ssb5EtQyvH59 https://goo.gl/photos/9Ujw2Ssb5EtQyvH59 https://goo.gl/photos/oHN4PqV6CRMgvssVA https://goo.gl/photos/oHN4PqV6CRMgvssVA
- pokoleo 11y agoTwo more examples: https://imgur.com/a/fwrfe https://imgur.com/a/fwrfe I've been slowly coming back to this app for weeks. It works well combining a photo with a clear focus, and a patterned one. A few weeks ago, they dropped the resolution of the photos. After seeing a preview of what a smaller resolution one looks like, I'd be happy paying extra for a large-sized one.
- kidzik 11y agohttp://deepart.io/latest/ http://deepart.io/latest/
- antirez 11y agoThat's great! What is your "template" image here? I tried with a few similar without good results.
- tanakian 11y agowell, photos do not become "incredible artwork" or "art" just because means of expression change. there are photos that are considered to be art, without applying such effects. and there are photos that are not considered to be an artwork. latter will more likely become more tasteless and ugly with those filters applied, while former don't need such filters in order to be considered the art.
- a_ecker 11y agoOf course a bad photo doesn't become art by applying a filter. But artists have always used tools to create art. Now they have another powerful tool that lets them do amazing things that wouldn't have been possible a year ago.
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- throwavy 11y agoNobody noticed the name similarity with Picozu (https://www.picozu.com https://www.picozu.com), way older than this?
- notverynice 11y agoToo bad the name is take from the Picozu Image editor.
- huuu 11y agoThis is scarier than I thought. For me this passed the Turing test for art.
- alexandrerond 11y agoThere seems to be a bit of confusion here between art and beautiful compositions. Art is not art because it looks nice or because it looks like something else that is widely accepted as "art". I see art as something produced by an artist combining genius + technique. Genius usually implies being original, but also stating what the piece of art represents in contrast to the existing ones (what boundaries it breaks, what pre-conceptions it revolts against, what is its purpose (even if it's purpose is to have no purpose) etc.). Technique means work and expertise. Sometimes genius is so overwhelming that there is little technique needed. Sometimes technique is so skilled that it overwhelms genius. The makers of this app are probably artists (there's certainly a lot of genius involved in devising a way to produce such compositions, and work). What you create with your app probably not art though, regardless of how amazingly beautiful it turns out to be. That's not to say artists may not make use of such tool to make art, but they'll have to find ways to be original. The fact that a button can be clicked to produce a result automatically destroys much of the artistic value of the outcomes. But hey, it's beautiful :)
- fiatjaf 11y ago"Being original"? That's what art is for you?
- alexandrerond 11y agoName an art current which hasn't revolted against what was previously done. Every generation of artists tried to grasp things which were left out by the previous ones. As I said, genious, but also technique. What's art for you?
- meric 11y agoIt's consciousness cast onto a medium, like casting a double to a byte.
- fiatjaf 11y agoIt's not because in the past (I mean 500 years ago) art was produced by doing something different from what existed that you should conclude that "art is about being original", even less that "art is revolt against what was previously done". These facts, if always true, are just consequences of another, much higher, goal of the artist. It's because modern artists started thinking that _the goal_ of art was to be original that we came to this situation.
- meric 11y agoIs it using this algorithm? https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style
- dharma1 11y agomost likely. Thought about how long it'll take for someone to release it as an app - not sure how they will cover the server costs for rendering the images if it's not done on device. $2.99/user will probably cover AWS bill for a while, if users don't keep hammering it
- antoniuschan99 11y agoMaybe not? His other app(ituens) has a link to a youtube interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRL9J6DoCgs&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRL9J6DoCgs&feature=youtu.be https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/joy-of-programming-painter/id998696401?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/joy-of-programming-painter/i...
- romaniv 11y agoQuestion for someone who has this app. Can this convert a photo to anime-like or cartoon-like rendering a-la A Scanner Darkly?
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- alpatters 11y agoI don't know Scanner Darkly and I don't have the app. But I have done a lot of my own images using the same algorithm as that used in the app. And, yes, it can definitely render photos is anime or cartoon like styles.
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- xinyhn 11y agoAnyone know the name of the song used in the video?