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I really hate it when some people that call themselves programmers, still use PHP for serious development.
by ardit33 19y ago
I really hate it when some people that call themselves programmers, still use PHP for serious development.
- rms 19y agoI don't think there is anything wrong with PHP for serious development, as long as you're using it with an MVC paradigm or framework. It is faster than Ruby.
- ardit33 19y agoTrue. I like Cake Php. But I still wouldn't consider php for serious dev. Call me stupid, but I have a prejudice against recent startups that use php. It smacks me that they couldn't find smarter developers that know something else. Im sure, there are great php devs. out there, but from experience, %90 are not. It is the barriers of entry are too low for php to get started, which is not necessary a good thing, as you end up with many so self called "experts" than know nothing.
- cellis 19y agoas opposed to what? 90% of Ruby Developers that are?
- danw 19y agoChoosing a language is highly subjective to the people you have available and the application you are building. Discounting php developers off hand is foolish. Many huge sites are built in php such as facebook and last.fm There's a well known path to scaling PHP, whilst big Rails sites such as Twitter are having to build it as they go. I'm working for a startup who are building on C# and asp.net. This is hugely to our advantage as our customers are large enterprises. Microsoft is on the approved vendors list, Rails, Django and others are not.
- whacked_new 19y agoIf PHP is serious enough for Facebook, it's serious enough for most web startups.
- systems 19y agoGood point .. if you know more about the frameworks and languages facebook uses please share. I think PHP have been bashed so long by so many people I am really not surprised by his opinion. Finally, I remember in an interview with linus torvalds they asked him, what's the most important quality in a programmer, and he said taste! And i like this thought, your choice of programmer language reflect your taste, who would pick PHP with all the bad press it gets in the geeky community (slashdot,serverside.com, here and elsewhere) definitely someone with very very bad taste, the bad type of geek, the business man geek Plus just because facebook is popular, doesn't give credit to php! the guy got lucky! Google uses python, and i think python is a terrible taste in programming language, terrible taste! why, in my experience, it made script unreadable, i had to find editor with folding, and draw imaginary lines on the screen just to see were a block end and a new one start, and being as paranoid as i am, i just decided to never touch it, python is just bad taste, i wish it dies, i feel bad when i see cool stuff writen in it, cool stuff i would just have to ignore, because, how terrible can the ppl who wrote this program be....they chose python!!!
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- dawnerd 19y agoI agree. PHP is very powerful if you know how to use it correctly. I have been working with CodeIgniter lately and it is one of the better frameworks I have seen. Sure cuts down development time. I've never really considered Ruby, but maybe I should since everyone is raving about it.
- jamongkad 19y agoNice nice as far as PHP frameworks are concerned. The best I've seen are CodeIgniter and Symfony. I just recently launched a CodeIgniter app. It was a breeze!
- comatose_kid 19y agoI don't think there is anything wrong with PHP for serious development (whatever that is), as long as I don't have to use it. Seriously though, claiming PHP is faster than Ruby is pretty suspect. There are benchmarks that can bolster either side of that debate...
- hollywoodcole 19y ago...and down you go!
- ardit33 19y agolol, don't neg me bro...