> This could just as well be "the unreasonableness of signing on for an activity then not wanting to do what's required to participate", and/or "the unreasonabl

> This could just as well be "the unreasonableness of signing on for an activity then not wanting to do what's required to participate", and/or "the unreasonableness of signing up for more activities than one is (apparently) able to find time for". I thought she wants to participate in choir. I'd certainly get up early on the occasional weekend for something I wanted to do, and it wouldn't even occur to me to complain, ya know? No, it cannot. Asking young minds to wake up for a performance (that the school is not required to participate in) is not reasonable. It doesn't matter how busy the student is; it doesn't matter that you voluntarily signed up. None of that matters. The point is that it's too early. It's an unreasonable burden to place on any child. Your attitude also strikes me as needlessly aggressive about it. Why should the child pay the penalty of being disallowed to participate, grow, and learn (and incur the future costs of what scholarship committees and colleges will think of someone who didn't do those things) just because they think 5:15 am on a weekend morning for children who can't yet drive is too burdensome? What is the point of the school choir if not to provide culturally enriching experiences to the very students who wish to join it? You're acting as if the platonic idea of "the choir" exists totally independently of the bang-simple basic life constraints of its participants. If the choir said you have to show up at 5:15 am for a concert, and you will not be allowed to use the bathroom or eat food for 6 hours then of course we'd have a problem with it. Kids need to use the bathroom. Kids need to eat. Voluntarily opting-in to participate in the choir doesn't give the choir director the permission to disallow eating or using a bathroom. But if we just slightly move the needle out to significantly disrupting the regular sleeping habits of a middle school kid, now all of the sudden parents are "whiny" to expect their kid gets to be healthy. Your position is preposterous. In other words, you're placing a deeply unrealistic expectation of accommodation onto a very young kid, meanwhile not holding grown adults to any degree of reasonableness or compromise.